---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paradox" Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de> -------- Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? Someone tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk with them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:45:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3c13237f$0$2582$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> -------- Paradox wrote in message news:9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de... > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? Someone > tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk with > them. > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paradox" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:42:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9uv8ek$bl5e4$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote in message news:3c13237f$0$2582$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > > Paradox wrote in message > news:9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de... > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? Someone > > tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk with > > them. > > > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given > > So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance against an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:01:14 +1300 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C13285A.128D31CE@paradise.net.nz> -------- Paradox wrote: > > Chris O'Farrell wrote in message > news:3c13237f$0$2582$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > > > > Paradox wrote in message > > news:9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de... > > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? > Someone > > > tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk > with > > > them. > > > > > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given > > > > > > So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance against > an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? Kirk's Enterprise eclipsed the abilities of all the 24th century ST ships put together. It went out to the galactic rim and back, time traveled more often then we set our clocks, had a shitload more firepower (and used it whenever someone looked at them cockeyed), and Kirk himself actually realized that space has three dimensions. -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda ICQ#: 39921647 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) Date: 09 Dec 2001 15:43:20 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <20011209104320.29140.00002850@mb-mq.aol.com> -------- >Paradox wrote: >> >> Chris O'Farrell wrote in message >> news:3c13237f$0$2582$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >> > >> > Paradox wrote in message >> > news:9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de... >> > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? >> Someone >> > > tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk >> with >> > > them. >> > > >> > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given >> > >> > >> >> So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance >against >> an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? > >Kirk's Enterprise eclipsed the abilities of all the 24th century ST >ships put together. It went out to the galactic rim and back, time >traveled more often then we set our clocks, had a shitload more >firepower (and used it whenever someone looked at them cockeyed), and >Kirk himself actually realized that space has three dimensions. > Ah, one of the Cult Of Connie. Prove these assumptions. ------------------------------------ SirNitram ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius "We can reconstitute dead friends and lovers. Those who were us, can be yours again. We will make you Gods amongst your people!" -Last words of the Beast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:20:49 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3c140cb1$0$4023$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> -------- Sir Nitram wrote in message news:20011209104320.29140.00002850@mb-mq.aol.com... > >Paradox wrote: > >> > >> Chris O'Farrell wrote in message > >> news:3c13237f$0$2582$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > >> > > >> > Paradox wrote in message > >> > news:9uv64q$bgq64$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de... > >> > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? > >> Someone > >> > > tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having small talk > >> with > >> > > them. > >> > > > >> > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given > >> > > >> > > >> > >> So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance > >against > >> an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? > > > >Kirk's Enterprise eclipsed the abilities of all the 24th century ST > >ships put together. It went out to the galactic rim and back, time > >traveled more often then we set our clocks, had a shitload more > >firepower (and used it whenever someone looked at them cockeyed), and > >Kirk himself actually realized that space has three dimensions. > > > > Ah, one of the Cult Of Connie. Prove these assumptions. Lets see. 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time 2. It went to the galactic core in a short time 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off the atmosphere of a planet. 4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage to a connie. 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. 6. They almost ALWAYS fought at warp and warp straffeed, the E-N and other enemy ships as well. 7. The ships shields took a weapon rated at equivilant to 90 photon torpedos without a blink ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:59:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C141712.7030306@mac.com> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote: > Lets see. > 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time Wormhole. > 2. It went to the galactic core in a short time Wormhole. > 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off the > atmosphere of a planet. Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. > 4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage > to a connie. Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. > 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god > damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded > with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? Well, I'll get you started. Put "=1E38" and go from there. > 6. They almost ALWAYS fought at warp and warp straffeed, the E-N and other > enemy ships as well. So, Balance of Terror never really happened then? So, the Enterprise was warp-strafing the Doomsday Turd? So, Kirk just forgot about warp strafing when Khan was whipping his ass in ST2? > 7. The ships shields took a weapon rated at equivilant to 90 photon torpedos > without a blink And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? Are you really suggesting that the Federation is so grossly incompetent that their shielding, propulsion and weapons technology has actually devolved? How can you POSSIBLY argue that that such a disgustingly inept organization would even have a chance against such a ruthlessly one like the Empire? -- Damien Sorresso [AIM: durandal64] [ICQ: 12183859] Nobody knows everything. I am nobody. Therefore, I know everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:41:35 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3c142dae$0$4711$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> -------- Durandal wrote in message news:3C141712.7030306@mac.com... > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > > Lets see. > > 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > > > Wormhole. No mention of wormhole. No sign of wormhole. No indication of wormhole. Lack of proof of wormhole = no wormhole. > > > 2. It went to the galactic core in a short time > > > Wormhole. See above. > > > 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off the > > atmosphere of a planet. > > > Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. I know which is why I'm saying its weird shit and why the ship is far different from current UFP ships. > > > 4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage > > to a connie. > > > Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. What? Um this was a different episode. It was hit with an antimatter beam from a planet killing ship... > > > 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god > > damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded > > with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. > > > And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? Well, I'll get you > started. Put "=1E38" and go from there. Repost. Goth did these a while back. ** The output is stated to be 12^18 dB dB rating (if you want to calculate energy intensity in watts/cm^2) is: dB = 10log(Io/Iref), where Iref equals 10^-16 W/cm^2 12^18 = 10log(Io/10^-16) 2.66e19/10 = log(Io/10^-16) 10^2.66e18 = Io/10^-16 10^2.66e18/10^-16 = Io Io = 1e267 Watts/cm^2 This is a rather large number (If a DS superlaser, for example, had an output of 1e32 J in a period of 1/10th of a second with a beam cross section of 100m^2, it would have an intensity of 1e31 W/m^2 or 1e27 W/cm^2 and it would take roughly 10 shots to match the energy deflected by the E-nil's shields in this example). I guess that if the Empire shows up, all the UFP has to do is dust off the blueprints and build a few TOS era Connies and the Imperials are toast ** > > > 6. They almost ALWAYS fought at warp and warp straffeed, the E-N and other > > enemy ships as well. > > > So, Balance of Terror never really happened then? So, the Enterprise was > warp-strafing the Doomsday Turd? So, Kirk just forgot about warp > strafing when Khan was whipping his ass in ST2? The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. The Enterprise was moving at warp speeds attacking a sub warp warbird in BOT. There are a few other epps that I will check up on. > > 7. The ships shields took a weapon rated at equivilant to 90 photon torpedos > > without a blink > > And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? > Are you really suggesting that the Federation is so grossly incompetent > that their shielding, propulsion and weapons technology has actually > devolved? Its canon from the facts shown in TOS to TNG era. My guess is the time war in Enteprise screwed things up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:52:25 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C14310F.86169BB0@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > Durandal wrote in message > news:3C141712.7030306@mac.com... > > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > > > > > Lets see. > > > 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > > > > > > Wormhole. > > No mention of wormhole. No sign of wormhole. No indication of wormhole. Lack > of proof of wormhole = no wormhole. Fine, then the Federation is completely incapable of improving on their technology, and is in fact forgetting how to do things as time goes on. > > > 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off > the > > > atmosphere of a planet. > > > > > > Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. > > I know which is why I'm saying its weird shit and why the ship is far > different from current UFP ships. Or, we can simply say that it was hyperbole, and therefore can't be used as evidence. > > Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. > > What? Um this was a different episode. It was hit with an antimatter beam > from a planet killing ship... Again you pretend that this argument has not been destroyed. An anti-proton beam will not interact with shields. > > > 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a > god > > > damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being > pounded > > > with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. > > > > > > And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? Well, I'll get you > > started. Put "=1E38" and go from there. > > Repost. Goth did these a while back. > > ** > > I guess that if the Empire shows up, all the UFP has to do is dust off the > blueprints and build a few TOS era Connies and the Imperials are toast Or we can look at the fact that sound waves don't travel in space and ignore it. > > So, Balance of Terror never really happened then? So, the Enterprise was > > warp-strafing the Doomsday Turd? So, Kirk just forgot about warp > > strafing when Khan was whipping his ass in ST2? > > The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, > a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was > stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. How much longer are you going to continue to lie about this scene? > The Enterprise was > moving at warp speeds attacking a sub warp warbird in BOT. There are a few > other epps that I will check up on. > > And I suppose you have the calcs to prove this? > > Are you really suggesting that the Federation is so grossly incompetent > > that their shielding, propulsion and weapons technology has actually > > devolved? > > Its canon from the facts shown in TOS to TNG era. My guess is the time war > in Enteprise screwed things up. Then the stuff never existed, and you can't use it. If you continue to make this argument, then there is no reason that you can use any evidence from any series other than Enterprise, as the time-travel there effectively destroys the future. Graeme Dice -- "It's like comparing a cool theme park to a padded white cell." ---PREDATOR, commenting on Star Wars and Star Trek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sith79@aol.com (Kamakazie Sith) Date: 10 Dec 2001 19:27:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <89c4bcfd.0112101927.4d872573@posting.google.com> -------- Graeme Dice wrote in message news:<3C14310F.86169BB0@sk.sympatico.ca>... > Or we can look at the fact that sound waves don't travel in space and > ignore it. > Wouldn't that be ignoring canon evidence though? Actually it would be ignoring canon evidence. We know it's a sonic cannon and they got it to function in space somehow...it doesn't matter how it works, it just did. Deal with it...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:32:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C159A7F.7040803@mac.com> -------- Kamakazie Sith wrote: > Graeme Dice wrote in message news:<3C14310F.86169BB0@sk.sympatico.ca>... > > >>Or we can look at the fact that sound waves don't travel in space and >>ignore it. >> >> > > Wouldn't that be ignoring canon evidence though? Actually it would be > ignoring canon evidence. We know it's a sonic cannon and they got it > to function in space somehow...it doesn't matter how it works, it just > did. > > Deal with it...... > OK, we can play that. The Star Trek space is, therefore, permeated with a medium dense enough to allow the conduction of sonic waves. This medium is of completely unknown composition, and it will affect everything a Star Trek ship does in some unknown way. Thus, we cannot make any more calculations about ST ships because of this medium. We don't know the speed of light through it, or the speed of sound, or whatever. Since we know absolutely nothing about Trek's new medium, Wars wins by default. -- Damien Sorresso [AIM: durandal64] [ICQ: 12183859] Nobody knows everything. I am nobody. Therefore, I know everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:26:50 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C191CB8.3F1DFB94@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Kamakazie Sith wrote: > > Graeme Dice wrote in message news:<3C14310F.86169BB0@sk.sympatico.ca>... > > > Or we can look at the fact that sound waves don't travel in space and > > ignore it. > > > > Wouldn't that be ignoring canon evidence though? Actually it would be > ignoring canon evidence. We know it's a sonic cannon and they got it > to function in space somehow...it doesn't matter how it works, it just > did. > > Deal with it...... Or else you can say that Spock was trying to make a joke and it failed. Graeme Dice -- "No, it is a very interesting number, it is the smallest number expressible as a sum of two cubes in two different ways." — Srinivasa Ramanujan (1887-1920), Indian mathematician. The mathematician G. H. Hardy had referred to the number '1729' as 'dull'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:03:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C145E44.50104@mac.com> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote: > Durandal wrote in message > news:3C141712.7030306@mac.com... > >>Chris O'Farrell wrote: >> >> >> >>>Lets see. >>>1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time >>> >> >>Wormhole. >> > > No mention of wormhole. No sign of wormhole. No indication of wormhole. Lack > of proof of wormhole = no wormhole. Fine. Then warp technology has actually degraded in the 24th century. Wow, the Federation research teams are really working hard, aren't they? They could certainly reverse-engineer Imperial tech. They do everything in reverse! Start out fast. Give em 80 years, they'll slow down. >>Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. >> > > I know which is why I'm saying its weird shit and why the ship is far > different from current UFP ships. Or, we could say that it was hyperbole and maintain consistency and fit all the facts. > What? Um this was a different episode. It was hit with an antimatter beam > from a planet killing ship... Oops. Well, do you want to know why an anti-matter beam of sufficient particle density would destroy a planet? It'd annihilate all the normal matter that makes the planet up. It makes sense that it wouldn't hurt the E-nil's shields. The E-nil's shields could be made of anti-particles. > Repost. Goth did these a while back. > > ** > > The output is stated to be 12^18 dB > > dB rating (if you want to calculate energy intensity in watts/cm^2) is: > > dB = 10log(Io/Iref), where Iref equals 10^-16 W/cm^2 > > 12^18 = 10log(Io/10^-16) > > 2.66e19/10 = log(Io/10^-16) > > 10^2.66e18 = Io/10^-16 > > 10^2.66e18/10^-16 = Io > > Io = 1e267 Watts/cm^2 Wow. Gothmog missed the fact that sound doesn't travel in space. > This is a rather large number (If a DS superlaser, for example, had an > output of 1e32 J in a period of 1/10th of a second with a beam cross section > of 100m^2, it would have an intensity of 1e31 W/m^2 or 1e27 W/cm^2 and it > would take roughly 10 shots to match the energy deflected by the E-nil's > shields in this example). No, the DS superlaser outputted 1E38J by Mike Wong's calcs, 5E38J by mine (I used the special edition). > I guess that if the Empire shows up, all the UFP has to do is dust off the > blueprints and build a few TOS era Connies and the Imperials are toast And then miraculously enable the conduction of sonic waves in a vacuum. > The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, > a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was > stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. The Enterprise was > moving at warp speeds attacking a sub warp warbird in BOT. There are a few > other epps that I will check up on. No, but the movie Enterprises are Constitution-class vessels. > Its canon from the facts shown in TOS to TNG era. My guess is the time war > in Enteprise screwed things up. Then why does it matter? Because of Enterprise, TOS may never have happened at all. -- Damien Sorresso [AIM: durandal64] [ICQ: 12183859] Nobody knows everything. I am nobody. Therefore, I know everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:49:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:03:32 -0600, Durandal wrote: >Fine. Then warp technology has actually degraded in the 24th century. >Wow, the Federation research teams are really working hard, aren't they? >They could certainly reverse-engineer Imperial tech. They do everything >in reverse! Start out fast. Give em 80 years, they'll slow down. Yeah, Chris is certainly ascribing these guys with some interesting characteristics. He says they can reverse engineer things in 20 minutes like it's a genetic trait but they somehow have a degenerative brain disease which makes them forget the basics of their own technology. -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] There has been a control message sent out for a "alt.startrek.vs.starwars". Unfortunately, it was extremely badly done as it contains no newsgroup description or rationale at all (not even a tag)... What the above paragraph means is that, not only is the alt group dead in the water because of these misguided actions, but any attempt to create a group with the same name is probably dead in the water too. - From alt.config, 7/12/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:37:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C14F2E8.DDA8AC24@mtu.edu> -------- Durandal wrote: > > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > Durandal wrote in message > > news:3C141712.7030306@mac.com... > > > >>Chris O'Farrell wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Lets see. > >>>1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > >>> > >> > >>Wormhole. > >> > > > > No mention of wormhole. No sign of wormhole. No indication of wormhole. Lack > > of proof of wormhole = no wormhole. > > Fine. Then warp technology has actually degraded in the 24th century. > Wow, the Federation research teams are really working hard, aren't they? > They could certainly reverse-engineer Imperial tech. They do everything > in reverse! Start out fast. Give em 80 years, they'll slow down. > > > > >>Hyperbole. An ounce of antimatter would do no such thing. > >> > > > > I know which is why I'm saying its weird shit and why the ship is far > > different from current UFP ships. > > Or, we could say that it was hyperbole and maintain consistency and fit > all the facts. > > > What? Um this was a different episode. It was hit with an antimatter beam > > from a planet killing ship... > > Oops. Well, do you want to know why an anti-matter beam of sufficient > particle density would destroy a planet? It'd annihilate all the normal > matter that makes the planet up. It makes sense that it wouldn't hurt > the E-nil's shields. The E-nil's shields could be made of anti-particles. > > > Repost. Goth did these a while back. > > > > ** > > > > The output is stated to be 12^18 dB > > > > dB rating (if you want to calculate energy intensity in watts/cm^2) is: > > > > dB = 10log(Io/Iref), where Iref equals 10^-16 W/cm^2 > > > > 12^18 = 10log(Io/10^-16) > > > > 2.66e19/10 = log(Io/10^-16) > > > > 10^2.66e18 = Io/10^-16 > > > > 10^2.66e18/10^-16 = Io > > > > Io = 1e267 Watts/cm^2 > > Wow. Gothmog missed the fact that sound doesn't travel in space. > That's funny, but shouldn't we postulate another mechanism if this is what happened? -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:36:55 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C150100.68DC5E33@shaw.ca> -------- Doornail wrote: > > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > Durandal wrote: > >>>Lets see. > >>>1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > >> > >>Wormhole. > > > > No mention of wormhole. No sign of wormhole. No indication of > > wormhole. Lack of proof of wormhole = no wormhole. > > Fine. Then warp technology has actually degraded in the 24th century. > Wow, the Federation research teams are really working hard, aren't they? > They could certainly reverse-engineer Imperial tech. They do everything > in reverse! Start out fast. Give em 80 years, they'll slow down. There was obviously something strange happening in these case cause later generation ships have top speeds that make these journeys impossible. So we have two choices: 1.) Through out the one with less evidence => Slow (TNG, DS9, Voy) or Fast (TOS.) 2.) Claim there was some weird circumstances that can explain this apparent phenomenon. > Wow. Gothmog missed the fact that sound doesn't travel in space. I support the death penalty for anyone who was involved in writing that episode. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:04:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Chris O'Farrell" wrote > > So, Balance of Terror never really happened then? So, the Enterprise was > > warp-strafing the Doomsday Turd? So, Kirk just forgot about warp > > strafing when Khan was whipping his ass in ST2? > The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, > a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was > stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. The Klingon battlecruiser approached at warp, then dropped out as it got close enough to fire, as evidenced by Sulu calling out its position as it moved closer. It accelerated to warp 7 as it passed over the Enterprise but when it was making its approach to the Enterprise and firing, it was travelling at low sublight (<0.1c). At no time during that episode did the Klingon shipEVER approach the E-Nil for a strafing run at warp- Sulu ALWAYS called out the range as the Klingon ship approached, and he had time to call out "seventy thousand kilometres, sixty thousand kilometres" etc. which would have been impossible if the ship had been covering more than 300,000km every second. Rent the episode or buy a copy, and you'll see. AFTER firing, it accelerated to warp speed to get out of weapon range in preparation for another run, but on approaches, it was always at low sublight. When the Enterprise finally went to warp, it was to "pivot" (in the words of Kirk) and chase the Klingon ship AFTER it passed by the ship on a strafing run, firing photon torpedoes at warp. The relative velocities would therefore have been low, even though both ships were at warp. This is VERY clearly shown during their third run. Kirk tells Sulu to turn the ship hard to port (because starboard shields were down) Sulu did, and the Klingon attack was deflected. The did this at impulse. If the Klingons were attacking at warp, it would be like the E-nil was standing still. Sulu would have had NO hope in turning the ship at impulse faster than a warp maneuvering ship. I suggest you save this post Chris, or you'll just post the same incorrect information in a month or two as usual. > The Enterprise was moving at warp speeds attacking a sub warp warbird in BOT. There are a few > other epps that I will check up on. No it wasn't. When the Enterprise was shown firing, there were no corn flakes floating by indicating they were at warp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:43:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:41:35 +1100, "Chris O'Farrell" wrote: >The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, >a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was >stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. First of all, that is a god-awful mangling of the name of the episode. Secondly, it was NOT moving at warp. Distances were being called out in thousands of kilometers by (I think) Sulu. -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] There has been a control message sent out for a "alt.startrek.vs.starwars". Unfortunately, it was extremely badly done as it contains no newsgroup description or rationale at all (not even a tag)... What the above paragraph means is that, not only is the alt group dead in the water because of these misguided actions, but any attempt to create a group with the same name is probably dead in the water too. - From alt.config, 7/12/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lord Edam de Fromage <$mike$@themightygibbon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:05:09 -0000 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- Today's news is brought to you by the number 7, and the letter from Kynes > >The movies are not TOS. We are talking about the series. In Elayne of Torus, > >a Klingon battlecruiser was flying around the E-N at warp which was > >stationary and low on power, firign at it constently. > > First of all, that is a god-awful mangling of the name of the episode. > > Secondly, it was NOT moving at warp. Distances were being called out in > thousands of kilometers by (I think) Sulu. That's because they kept zipping past before anyone had a chance to fire, so they had to turn round and try again. -- Lord Edam de Fromage aka Sorborus www.trek-wars.co.uk How nice it would be, just to push a bottom on a computer and be given the solution to our problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:46:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:41:35 +1100, "Chris O'Farrell" wrote: >Its canon from the facts shown in TOS to TNG era. My guess is the time war >in Enteprise screwed things up. Right, because an event in the 1800s could change the 21st century but not 1940. That makes a lot of sense. -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] There has been a control message sent out for a "alt.startrek.vs.starwars". Unfortunately, it was extremely badly done as it contains no newsgroup description or rationale at all (not even a tag)... What the above paragraph means is that, not only is the alt group dead in the water because of these misguided actions, but any attempt to create a group with the same name is probably dead in the water too. - From alt.config, 7/12/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paradox" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:39:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9v5a1q$d0jd6$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kynes wrote in message news:vOYUPA6Lt0a7MhLi0HCWTnwOz7z2@4ax.com... > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:41:35 +1100, "Chris O'Farrell" > wrote: > > >Its canon from the facts shown in TOS to TNG era. My guess is the time war > >in Enteprise screwed things up. > > Right, because an event in the 1800s could change the 21st century but not 1940. > That makes a lot of sense. > Whats the 1800's have to do with Enterprise? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:28:50 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C141D7D.1586FD28@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > Sir Nitram wrote in message > news:20011209104320.29140.00002850@mb-mq.aol.com... > > >Paradox wrote: > > Ah, one of the Cult Of Connie. Prove these assumptions. > > Lets see. > 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > 2. It went to the galactic core in a short time > 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off the > atmosphere of a planet. > 4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage > to a connie. > 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god > damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded > with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. WOW! It withstood a sound wave in space. This is of course impossible so it is absolutely irrelevant. > 6. They almost ALWAYS fought at warp and warp straffeed, the E-N and other > enemy ships as well. No Chris, they absolutely _never_ fought at warp. > 7. The ships shields took a weapon rated at equivilant to 90 photon torpedos > without a blink A totally unknown yield of course. Graeme Dice -- magic smoke: /n./ A substance trapped inside IC packages that enables them to function. Its existence is demonstrated by what happens when a chip burns up -- the magic smoke gets let out, so it doesn't work any more. -- The Jargon File ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:39:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C14F367.3043F651@mtu.edu> -------- Graeme Dice wrote: > > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > > Sir Nitram wrote in message > > news:20011209104320.29140.00002850@mb-mq.aol.com... > > > >Paradox wrote: > > > > > > Ah, one of the Cult Of Connie. Prove these assumptions. > > > > Lets see. > > 1. It went to the galactic rim in a short time > > 2. It went to the galactic core in a short time > > 3. One ounce of the stuff that powers that ship would have ripped off the > > atmosphere of a planet. > > 4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage > > to a connie. > > 5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god > > damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded > > with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. > > WOW! It withstood a sound wave in space. This is of course impossible > so it is absolutely irrelevant. > > > 6. They almost ALWAYS fought at warp and warp straffeed, the E-N and other > > enemy ships as well. > > No Chris, they absolutely _never_ fought at warp. > Pedantically, they did, if the Klingoffs went to warp between shots -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: captainman1ac@aol.com (CAPTAIN MAN1AC) Date: 10 Dec 2001 12:01:56 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <20011210070156.27128.00001437@mb-mu.aol.com> -------- >4. An antimatter blast capable of killing a planet only caused minor damage >to a connie. We dont know if it was the anti-proton beam, the ship shook violently when the Doomsday machines tractor beam finally got a lock on a ship, the previous 'shakings' could simply have been the tractor beam trying to lock onto the ship rather than any hits to the hull. >5. It took from a planets sonic disruptors (how they work I don;t have a god >damm clue, but its clear they did as the shields were actualy being pounded >with a constent power) the equivilant of many Death Star blasts. Oh yes thats very sensible... So the calculations are based upon the assumption these sonic weapons would work as regular sound waves, yet you have admitted they must work via 'Funky effect' as they Enterprise was in space. Hmm.... kind of invalidates those calulations would'nt you think? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:05:57 +1300 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C147AF5.E6B107B6@paradise.net.nz> -------- Sir Nitram wrote: > > > Ah, one of the Cult Of Connie. Prove these assumptions. As a neutral I'll make as many unproven assumptions as I like thank you very much. -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda ICQ#: 39921647 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:28:41 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca> -------- Paradox wrote: > > Chris O'Farrell wrote > > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? > > > Someone tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having > > > small talk with them. > > > > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given > > So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance > against an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? There's some confusion over whether it happened or not. Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't avoid the shots. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paradox" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9v0kv0$c68id$1@ID-109635.news.dfncis.de> -------- C.S.Strowbridge wrote in message news:3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca... > Paradox wrote: > > > > Chris O'Farrell wrote > > > > > Ok what was the reason we came up with on why this wouldn't work? > > > > Someone tried to use this excuse the other week when I was having > > > > small talk with them. > > > > > > That it hasn't been used since TOS IIRC is the reason usualy given > > > > So what exactly does that mean, that Kirk would have a better chance > > against an ISD then Picard would in their respective Enterprises? > > There's some confusion over whether it happened or not. > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't avoid > the shots. > > C.S.Strowbridge Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:38:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C13D9DE.1020707@mac.com> -------- Paradox wrote: > Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? Depends on how warp drive works. If it really does create warps in spacetime to get where it wants to go, then running through a tremendous gravitational warp, like the one created by an Interdictor, could have some adverse effects on it. -- Damien Sorresso [AIM: durandal64] [ICQ: 12183859] Nobody knows everything. I am nobody. Therefore, I know everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow {PHX}" Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:15:18 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Durandal" wrote in message news:3C13D9DE.1020707@mac.com... > Paradox wrote: > > > > Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > Depends on how warp drive works. If it really does create warps in > spacetime to get where it wants to go, then running through a tremendous > gravitational warp, like the one created by an Interdictor, could have > some adverse effects on it. The Voyager was once pulled out of warp by what was described as a gravimetric disruption or something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:01:26 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C14F8AF.432F7B4B@shaw.ca> -------- His Divine Shadow {PHX} wrote: > > "Durandal" wrote: > > > > Paradox wrote: > > > Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > > interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > Depends on how warp drive works. If it really does create warps in > > spacetime to get where it wants to go, then running through a > > tremendous gravitational warp, like the one created by an Interdictor, > > could have some adverse effects on it. > > The Voyager was once pulled out of warp by what was described as a > gravimetric disruption or something. That's pretty good evidence. Were they brought out automatically, or did Janeway order them to stop? If it was an order what technobabble excuse did they give? C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:19:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" wrote: >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... yes. -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] There has been a control message sent out for a "alt.startrek.vs.starwars". Unfortunately, it was extremely badly done as it contains no newsgroup description or rationale at all (not even a tag)... What the above paragraph means is that, not only is the alt group dead in the water because of these misguided actions, but any attempt to create a group with the same name is probably dead in the water too. - From alt.config, 7/12/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:01:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vk5bq$fo4qs$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Kynes" wrote in message news:a=ETPDyngTi4pAh+d1hiFjGXxFFz@4ax.com... > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" > wrote: > > >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... yes. When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near Earth [Star Trek: First Contact]. Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran system at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], when Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a planet ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], nor even in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:17:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Kynes" wrote in message > news:a=ETPDyngTi4pAh+d1hiFjGXxFFz@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" > > wrote: > > > > >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... > yes. > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near Earth > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran system > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], when > Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a planet > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], nor even > in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? "By Inferno's Light" -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:27:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vk6t4$frhg6$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Kynes" wrote in message > > news:a=ETPDyngTi4pAh+d1hiFjGXxFFz@4ax.com... > > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > > >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... > > yes. > > > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near Earth > > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran system > > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], when > > Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a planet > > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system > > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], nor even > > in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the > > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? > > "By Inferno's Light" > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the Denorios Belt, et cetera? G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:48:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Kynes" wrote in message > > > news:a=ETPDyngTi4pAh+d1hiFjGXxFFz@4ax.com... > > > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > > > >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely > dangerous... > > > yes. > > > > > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near > Earth > > > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran > system > > > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > > > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > > > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], > when > > > Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a > planet > > > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor > system > > > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], nor > even > > > in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the > > > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > > > > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > Denorios Belt, et cetera? The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:24:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vldc3$fqeap$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > "Kynes" wrote in message > > > > news:a=ETPDyngTi4pAh+d1hiFjGXxFFz@4ax.com... > > > > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:15 -0700, "Paradox" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > > > > >interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > > > > > > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely > > dangerous... > > > > yes. > > > > > > > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near > > Earth > > > > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran > > system > > > > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > > > > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > > > > > > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > > > > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], > > when > > > > Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a > > planet > > > > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor > > system > > > > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], nor > > even > > > > in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the > > > > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > > > > > > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to the scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is so commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the circumstances of that episode. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:49:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E3E2B.32CFCCA@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... [snip] > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to the > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is so > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > circumstances of that episode. I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:27:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E5514.1D8BCBB5@yahoo.com> -------- Dalton wrote: > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > [snip] > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to the > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is so > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > circumstances of that episode. > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an emergency situation. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) Date: 17 Dec 2001 20:28:17 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <20011217152817.20543.00000078@mb-mv.aol.com> -------- >Dalton wrote: > >> Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > >> > "Dalton" wrote in message >> > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... >> > > Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > > > >> > > > "Dalton" wrote in message >> > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... >> >> [snip] >> >> > > > > "By Inferno's Light" >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system >(Bajor, >> > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, >the >> > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? >> > > >> > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. >> > > >> > >> > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to >the >> > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is >so >> > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the >> > circumstances of that episode. >> >> I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > >Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an emergency >situation. > I would count the beginning of that turd mountain as an emergency. Hell, if I was in charge of the UFP, I would have sent everything I had at that ship to destroy it before the Caretaker got it. ------------------------------------ SirNitram ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius "We can reconstitute dead friends and lovers. Those who were us, can be yours again. We will make you Gods amongst your people!" -Last words of the Beast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:41:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E5871.F1576B9B@yahoo.com> -------- Sir Nitram wrote: > > >> I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > > >Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an emergency > >situation. > > > > I would count the beginning of that turd mountain as an emergency. Hell, if I > was in charge of the UFP, I would have sent everything I had at that ship to > destroy it before the Caretaker got it. :-D G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:31:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E5621.4D095E88@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Dalton wrote: > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to the > > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is so > > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > > circumstances of that episode. > > > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an emergency > situation. That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? Anyway, I think there's more of a problem warping *in* to a solar system, not out. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:42:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vm00j$fs60t$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1E5621.4D095E88@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > Dalton wrote: > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system (Bajor, > > > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships present, the > > > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular to the > > > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star system is so > > > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > > > circumstances of that episode. > > > > > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > > > Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an emergency > > situation. > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? > > Anyway, I think there's more of a problem warping *in* to a solar > system, not out. > I've never heard of that one, either. The Enterprise-D dropped out of warp almost on top of Gravesworld in "The Schizoid Man"[TNG], energized her transporters, and warped out again, as I recall . . . though it has been about a decade since I last saw that episode. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:19:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E99AC.AEA20A7@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1E5621.4D095E88@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > Dalton wrote: > > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system > (Bajor, > > > > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships > present, the > > > > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular > to the > > > > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star > system is so > > > > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > > > > circumstances of that episode. > > > > > > > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > > > > > Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an > emergency > > > situation. > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? > > > > Anyway, I think there's more of a problem warping *in* to a solar > > system, not out. > > > > I've never heard of that one, either. The Enterprise-D dropped out of > warp almost on top of Gravesworld in "The Schizoid Man"[TNG], energized her > transporters, and warped out again, as I recall . . . though it has been > about a decade since I last saw that episode. I think there might be a problem warping towards the star. Could be, ya know? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:03:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vm88r$gbd94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1E99AC.AEA20A7@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1E5621.4D095E88@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dalton wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star system > > (Bajor, > > > > > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships > > present, the > > > > > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something particular > > to the > > > > > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star > > system is so > > > > > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > > > > > circumstances of that episode. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > > > > > > > Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an > > emergency > > > > situation. > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? > > > > > > Anyway, I think there's more of a problem warping *in* to a solar > > > system, not out. > > > > > > > I've never heard of that one, either. The Enterprise-D dropped out of > > warp almost on top of Gravesworld in "The Schizoid Man"[TNG], energized her > > transporters, and warped out again, as I recall . . . though it has been > > about a decade since I last saw that episode. > > I think there might be a problem warping towards the star. Could be, ya > know? Well, there's the whole "let's avoid burning up" thing if you get too close, as well as the potential for inadvertent time travel ("Tomorrow is Yesterday"[TOS] . . . a black hole, but the idea is the same as that used in ST4). The Enterprise-Prime went to warp in chase of a small vessel headed directly into a star (from the same planet the Enterprise was orbiting) in "Operation: Annihilate!"[TOS]. Besides the hull heating up the closer the ship got to the star, no mention was made of danger. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:07:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1E99AC.AEA20A7@daltonator.net... > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > news:3C1E5621.4D095E88@daltonator.net... > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dalton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > > news:3C1DA35F.224FEB65@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > news:3C1D9C1A.1B397ED7@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "By Inferno's Light" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the problem actually a ship going to warp in the star > system > > > (Bajor, > > > > > > > > > wasn't it?), or did it revolve around the number of ships > > > present, the > > > > > > > > > Denorios Belt, et cetera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem was a ship going to warp in a star system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, obviously some other reason existed . . . something > particular > > > to the > > > > > > > scenario at that moment. Since warping out of orbit or a star > > > system is so > > > > > > > commonplace, there could only have been a special danger in the > > > > > > > circumstances of that episode. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "emergency situation" qualifies as "commonplace." > > > > > > > > > > Well, I don't think the opening credits of Voyager qualifies as an > > > emergency > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even > valid? > > > > > > > > Anyway, I think there's more of a problem warping *in* to a solar > > > > system, not out. > > > > > > > > > > I've never heard of that one, either. The Enterprise-D dropped out of > > > warp almost on top of Gravesworld in "The Schizoid Man"[TNG], energized > her > > > transporters, and warped out again, as I recall . . . though it has been > > > about a decade since I last saw that episode. > > > > I think there might be a problem warping towards the star. Could be, ya > > know? > > Well, there's the whole "let's avoid burning up" thing if you get too close, > as well as the potential for inadvertent time travel ("Tomorrow is > Yesterday"[TOS] . . . a black hole, but the idea is the same as that used in > ST4). > > The Enterprise-Prime went to warp in chase of a small vessel headed directly > into a star (from the same planet the Enterprise was orbiting) in > "Operation: Annihilate!"[TOS]. Besides the hull heating up the closer the > ship got to the star, no mention was made of danger. But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger comes from ramming other starships by accident. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:26:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vmgl1$gas51$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > comes from ramming other starships by accident. Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios Belt might've had something to do with it. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > Belt might've had something to do with it. I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence from the primary. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:54:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vmlt9$g94f9$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > from the primary. What sort of threat? G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:13:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1EDE99.A2378987@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > from the primary. > > What sort of threat? Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:55:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vmpf4$gic64$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1EDE99.A2378987@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > from the primary. > > > > What sort of threat? > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. Given that such has never been mentioned, seen, et cetera . . . and that incidents such as the Bird-of-Prey going to warp near the star's surface have occurred, getting sucked into a star hardly seems likely. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:13:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1EEC82.F7E5181E@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1EDE99.A2378987@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > news:3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net... > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the > danger > > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the > Denorios > > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > > from the primary. > > > > > > What sort of threat? > > > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. > > Given that such has never been mentioned, seen, et cetera . . . and that > incidents such as the Bird-of-Prey going to warp near the star's surface > have occurred, getting sucked into a star hardly seems likely. That was Kirk, it doesn't count :) But that was just spur-of-the-moment. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:47:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > from the primary. > > What sort of threat? > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. By Inferno's Light KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. DAX: Inside a solar system? KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:49:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1EF4F7.16F15998@daltonator.net> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the > danger > > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the > Denorios > > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > > from the primary. > > > > What sort of threat? > > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. > > By Inferno's Light > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:41:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote > Wayne Poe wrote: > > By Inferno's Light > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. Ever since Nam..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:11:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C202194.D2F7BAB7@daltonator.net> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote > > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > By Inferno's Light > > > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > > > Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. > > Ever since Nam..... Charlie was crawling up my ass, man! They used torches! -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:26:29 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C20F7CD.86A94A8E@shaw.ca> -------- Dayton wrote: > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. > > > > Ever since Nam..... > > Charlie was crawling up my ass, man! They used torches! And now you have to spend $200 bucks for that! Those were the days, eh? C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:06:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. > > > > Ever since Nam..... > Charlie was crawling up my ass, man! They used torches! "Fire in the hole!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:19:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C21F370.742C909D@daltonator.net> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote > > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > > Boo-yah! Wayne saves my ass yet again. > > > > > > Ever since Nam..... > > > Charlie was crawling up my ass, man! They used torches! > > "Fire in the hole!" *groan* -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net Hooray for Caffeine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:37:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vnh05$g1smi$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:u1tt4a8l69gk45@corp.supernews.com... > > "Dalton" wrote > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the > danger > > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the > Denorios > > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > > from the primary. > > > > What sort of threat? > > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. > > By Inferno's Light > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? X - - "Give me cereal!" Y - - "No milk?" X - - "Do it!" Clearly, Kelloggs makes dreadful weapons. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1F7BB9.1B61A1E9@mtu.edu> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > news:u1tt4a8l69gk45@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "Dalton" wrote > > > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the > > danger > > > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the > > Denorios > > > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational > influence > > > > > from the primary. > > > > > > What sort of threat? > > > > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. > > > > By Inferno's Light > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > > > > > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? > > X - - "Give me cereal!" > Y - - "No milk?" > X - - "Do it!" > > Clearly, Kelloggs makes dreadful weapons. > > G2k Ye Gods, this has got to be the worst come back ever. If your cow was dying and produced only enough milk to feed a calf and let it survive, it MIGHT be a little better, but not likely. -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:07:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > > By Inferno's Light > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? Perhaps one day you'll actually watch an episode before you blather on blindly. Then again....... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:27:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C20CE19.4902EA99@yahoo.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > > By Inferno's Light > > > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? > > Perhaps one day you'll actually watch an episode before you blather on > blindly. Then again....... I'm lucky to have seen any later DS9 or Voyager at all, given that the station showing them in syndication quit early on. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:02:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > By Inferno's Light > > > > > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > > > > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? > > > > Perhaps one day you'll actually watch an episode before you blather on > > blindly. Then again....... > > I'm lucky to have seen any later DS9 or Voyager at all, given that the > station showing them in syndication quit early on. Then shut your fucking hole. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:39:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vrtnq$h3e3k$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:u22s81o8r71v90@corp.supernews.com... > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > > > By Inferno's Light > > > > > > > > > > KIRA: Wanna bet? Take us to warp. > > > > > > > > > > DAX: Inside a solar system? > > > > > > > > > > KIRA: If we don't there won't be a solar system left! > > > > > > > *That's it?* That is why you guys thought it was dangerous? > > > > > > Perhaps one day you'll actually watch an episode before you blather on > > > blindly. Then again....... > > > > I'm lucky to have seen any later DS9 or Voyager at all, given that the > > station showing them in syndication quit early on. > > Then shut your fucking hole. > > Toss my salad, Wayne. I know enough to know that ships turn at warp, your interpretation of one line be damned. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1F79D4.29644965@mtu.edu> -------- Dalton wrote: > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > news:3C1ECA0E.71AD3298@daltonator.net... > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > > "Dalton" wrote in message > > > > news:3C1EA4DF.58A11A5C@daltonator.net... > > > > > > > > > But we do have to rationalize "By Inferno's Light." Perhaps the danger > > > > > comes from ramming other starships by accident. > > > > > > > > Bingo! Or, if it was the Bajor system the ships were in, the Denorios > > > > Belt might've had something to do with it. > > > > > > I doubt that. But there is also the threat of gravitational influence > > > from the primary. > > > > What sort of threat? > > Maybe the threat of getting sucked into the star. > I just read Physics of ST again, and there was a bit abt warp travel, basically if you expand space behind you and contract it in front, you could avoid local time dilation. He makes a small not "Somewhere in between you and your destination, the tidal forces would be immense, but that's OK as long as we're not there." (not verbatim) I thought that this might have some bearing on this "warp in a star system" thing--if the tidal forces, say, scrunch up a moon or a planet or something, the denizens might not welcome you back. IF this is how warp works. But you can't trust the writers anyway because they don't know what they're writing abt. -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:09:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1FB0A1.924FD26F@mac.com> -------- Matthew Hyde wrote: > I just read Physics of ST again, and there was a bit abt warp travel, > basically if you expand space behind you and contract it in front, you > could avoid local time dilation. He makes a small not "Somewhere in > between you and your destination, the tidal forces would be immense, but > that's OK as long as we're not there." (not verbatim) I thought that > this might have some bearing on this "warp in a star system" thing--if > the tidal forces, say, scrunch up a moon or a planet or something, the > denizens might not welcome you back. IF this is how warp works. But you > can't trust the writers anyway because they don't know what they're > writing abt. That's interesting... It suggests that the danger of warping in a star system isn't to the ship, but to the system. If warp drive bends space time to "bring your destination to you," then doing so in a star system could very noticeably disrupt the gravitational forces of that system. -- Damien Sorresso [AIM: durandal64] | [ICQ: 12183859] Nobody knows everything. I am nobody. I know everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:17:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1FDC99.9103F0E0@mtu.edu> -------- Durandal wrote: > > Matthew Hyde wrote: > > > I just read Physics of ST again, and there was a bit abt warp travel, > > basically if you expand space behind you and contract it in front, you > > could avoid local time dilation. He makes a small not "Somewhere in > > between you and your destination, the tidal forces would be immense, but > > that's OK as long as we're not there." (not verbatim) I thought that > > this might have some bearing on this "warp in a star system" thing--if > > the tidal forces, say, scrunch up a moon or a planet or something, the > > denizens might not welcome you back. IF this is how warp works. But you > > can't trust the writers anyway because they don't know what they're > > writing abt. > > That's interesting... It suggests that the danger of warping in a star > system isn't to the ship, but to the system. If warp drive bends space > time to "bring your destination to you," then doing so in a star system > could very noticeably disrupt the gravitational forces of that system. > -- Yup, a very compelling reason indeed. -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:54:36 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1F82A7.6FA9112F@shaw.ca> -------- Dayton wrote: > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every week for seven years now." C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:10:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get home. > "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week before > that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every week for > seven years now." LOLOLOLOLOL! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:14:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C20222A.B8BB422@daltonator.net> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > Dayton wrote: > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even valid? > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get home. > "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week before > that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every week for > seven years now." This is funny :) -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:27:13 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C20F7F9.8FD359CA@shaw.ca> -------- Dayton wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even > > > valid? > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every week > > for seven years now." > > This is funny :) FUQably funny? C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:38:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C214F3A.197CB3D0@daltonator.net> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > Dayton wrote: > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that even > > > > valid? > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every week > > > for seven years now." > > > > This is funny :) > > FUQably funny? No. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:54:37 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C2225E3.396E596D@shaw.ca> -------- Dayton wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that > > > > > even valid? > > > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every > > > > week for seven years now." > > > > > > This is funny :) > > > > FUQably funny? > > No. It is FUQable. You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. These aren't the droids your looking for. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C223784.961B8505@daltonator.net> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > Dayton wrote: > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that > > > > > > even valid? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every > > > > > week for seven years now." > > > > > > > > This is funny :) > > > > > > FUQably funny? > > > > No. > > It is FUQable. > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > These aren't the droids your looking for. Allrighty. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:45:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C223FC3.3698FFF6@mtu.edu> -------- Dalton wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that > > > > > > > even valid? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every > > > > > > week for seven years now." > > > > > > > > > > This is funny :) > > > > > > > > FUQably funny? > > > > > > No. > > > > It is FUQable. > > > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > > > These aren't the droids your looking for. > > Allrighty. > If I haven't posted anything FUQable in the last 3 days, I'm Darth Ewok. Nominate me! -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:20:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C22480C.B94BB964@daltonator.net> -------- Matthew Hyde wrote: > > Dalton wrote: > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that > > > > > > > > even valid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > > > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > > > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every > > > > > > > week for seven years now." > > > > > > > > > > > > This is funny :) > > > > > > > > > > FUQably funny? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > It is FUQable. > > > > > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > > > > > These aren't the droids your looking for. > > > > Allrighty. > > > If I haven't posted anything FUQable in the last 3 days, I'm Darth Ewok. > Nominate me! OK... -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:37:09 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C238168.632069FD@shaw.ca> -------- Dayton wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > It is FUQable. > > > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > > > These aren't the droids your looking for. > > Allrighty. The FUQ can have a strong influence on a weak mind. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C223784.961B8505@daltonator.net> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > Dayton wrote: > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > > > Dayton wrote: > > > > > > > That's a new one, using opening credits as evidence. Is that > > > > > > even valid? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know? It could explain why it took so long for them to get > > > > > home. "Damn it, we passed that same nebula last week. And the week > > > > > before that. In fact, I think we've passed that same nebula every > > > > > week for seven years now." > > > > > > > > This is funny :) > > > > > > FUQably funny? > > > > No. > > It is FUQable. > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > These aren't the droids your looking for. Allrighty. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kyle" Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:39:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vu09m$hseti$1@ID-17688.news.dfncis.de> -------- > > > FUQably funny? > > > > No. > > It is FUQable. No it isn't. > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. No he won't. > These aren't the droids your looking for. Well, actually they aren't. The ones I'm looking for have a pound of hydro in their arms. Continue on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:34:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C229FC6.DC35CFAA@mtu.edu> -------- Kyle wrote: > > > > > FUQably funny? > > > > > > No. > > > > It is FUQable. > > No it isn't. > > > You will put it in the FUQ for the next update. > > No he won't. > > > These aren't the droids your looking for. > > Well, actually they aren't. The ones I'm looking for have a pound of hydro > in their arms. Continue on. Eerybody knows hydro is hype! soil-grown is best silly -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kyle" Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:51:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vu82f$hqu41$1@ID-17688.news.dfncis.de> -------- > > Well, actually they aren't. The ones I'm looking for have a pound of hydro > > in their arms. Continue on. > > > Eerybody knows hydro is hype! soil-grown is best silly Indoor or outdoor soil grown? Personally I like hydro best, but I've got nothing against good outdoor or indoor, though I've noticed that on the average indoor funk is usually better then outdoor funk. Though of course there are plenty of exceptions. Damn, I need to go smoke a blunt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hyde Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:06:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C22A728.57478276@mtu.edu> -------- Kyle wrote: > > > > Well, actually they aren't. The ones I'm looking for have a pound of > hydro > > > in their arms. Continue on. > > > > > > Eerybody knows hydro is hype! soil-grown is best silly > > Indoor or outdoor soil grown? Personally I like hydro best, but I've got > nothing against good outdoor or indoor, though I've noticed that on the > average indoor funk is usually better then outdoor funk. Though of course > there are plenty of exceptions. Damn, I need to go smoke a blunt. Actually I don't know. From what I gather, indoor soil. I had friends in the know, once upon a time. I am pretty sure the Seattle sensi I'm spoiled by is dirtgrown. But who the hell knows. -- Matt Hyde http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:45:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > "Kynes" wrote > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous...yes. > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near Earth > [Star Trek: First Contact]. First use of warp...oh yes, he'd know all the dangers. > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran system > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. Early use of warp. Keep trying... > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. That's still not late in the 23rd century when the problem was discovered. > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], Oh nooooooooo.......that did NOTHING to the star's surface.... > when Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a planet > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], A few seconds warp burst in an emergency situation. Yes, GOOD example. > when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], Quotes? > nor even in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape the > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. LOL!! Keep grasping at those straws. There wasn't much to endanger in a star system about to be obliterated. > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? Well as happenstance would have it Portifoy, I have been privy to other such instances which warp in a star system was stated to be a dangeous undertaking, you pendantic cunt. One would be Star Trek, TMP, and another that comes immediately to mind would be DS9's "By Inferno's Light" But these are canon instances, so they wouldn't interest you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:54:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:45:22 -0800, "Wayne Poe" wrote: >Well as happenstance would have it Portifoy, I have been privy to other such >instances which warp in a star system was stated to be a dangeous >undertaking, you pendantic cunt. LOL More sentences need to begin with "happenstance" and end with "pendantic cunt." -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "Calling it a chasm between idiotic fanboys that spend 10 hours creating a .jpg of a Starfury to masterbate to and those that enjoy laughing at them would be more appropriate." - Wayne Poe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:00:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Kynes" wrote > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:45:22 -0800, "Wayne Poe" wrote: > >Well as happenstance would have it Portifoy, I have been privy to other such > >instances which warp in a star system was stated to be a dangeous > >undertaking, you pendantic cunt. > > LOL > > More sentences need to begin with "happenstance" and end with "pendantic cunt." Indubitably, sir! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:28:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vldk8$ga4q8$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:u1rfln6iv81o54@corp.supernews.com... > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > "Kynes" wrote > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely > dangerous...yes. > > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near Earth > > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > First use of warp...oh yes, he'd know all the dangers. Nothing happened. > > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran > system > > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > Early use of warp. Keep trying... > They had a hundred years of knowledge and the Vulcans sharing some information . . . I feel rather confident that the Vulcans would have said "Oh, by the way . . . " > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > That's still not late in the 23rd century when the problem was discovered. > What are you pulling from your sphincter now? > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], > > Oh nooooooooo.......that did NOTHING to the star's surface.... > That was the point. However, what was done to the star was hardly devastating (except to the other birds-of-prey). > > when Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside a > planet > > ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], > > A few seconds warp burst in an emergency situation. Yes, GOOD example. > Thanks. > > when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system > > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], > > Quotes? I'll catch you later when I'm not on lunch. > > > nor even in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to escape > the > > shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > LOL!! Keep grasping at those straws. There wasn't much to endanger in a star > system about to be obliterated. > > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? > > Well as happenstance would have it Portifoy, I have been privy to other such > instances which warp in a star system was stated to be a dangeous > undertaking, you pendantic cunt. One would be Star Trek, TMP, and another > that comes immediately to mind would be DS9's "By Inferno's Light" > ST:TMP . . . a starship with engine imbalance that creates a wormhole. Otherwise, no danger specified. Thank you for supporting my argument. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:23:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > > Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely > > dangerous...yes. > > > > > When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > > > > Certainly not in the 2060's, when Zephram Cochrane went to warp near > Earth > > > [Star Trek: First Contact]. > > First use of warp...oh yes, he'd know all the dangers. > > Nothing happened. Not the point. > > > Certainly not in the 2150's, when the "Akiraprise" leaves the Terran > > system > > > at warp ["Broken Bow"(ENT)]. > > Early use of warp. Keep trying... > They had a hundred years of knowledge and the Vulcans sharing some > information . . . I feel rather confident that the Vulcans would have said > "Oh, by the way . . . " Not the point. Keep trying. > > > Certainly not in the 2260's, when the Enterprise-Prime leaves orbit of > > > Cestus III at warp ["Arena"(TOS)]. > > > > That's still not late in the 23rd century when the problem was discovered. > What are you pulling from your sphincter now? A twin of you, last I looked. > > > Certainly not in the 2360's, when a Klingon Bird-of-Prey goes to warp > > > scathingly close to the surface of a star ["Redemption, Pt. II"(TNG)], > > > > Oh nooooooooo.......that did NOTHING to the star's surface.... > That was the point. However, what was done to the star was hardly > devastating (except to the other birds-of-prey). THAT was the point. No wonder it went over your head like an errant cumshot. Again. > > > when Riker took the antiquated and defunct Hathaway to warp right beside > > a planet ["Peak Performance"(TNG)], > > A few seconds warp burst in an emergency situation. Yes, GOOD example. > Thanks. "I've never grasped a straw too thin"--G2k > > > when Runabouts went flying about the Bajor system > > > at warp from orbit of a moon of Bajor VIII ["Past Prologue"(DS9)], > > > > Quotes? > > I'll catch you later when I'm not on lunch. You've been out to lunch since you got here. =rimshot= > > > nor even in the early 2370's, when the Enterprise-D goes to warp to > > > escape the shockwave of the Amargosa star [Star Trek: Generations]. > > LOL!! Keep grasping at those straws. There wasn't much to endanger in a > > star system about to be obliterated. > > > Praytell, when was going to warp in a star system a problem? > > Well as happenstance would have it Portifoy, I have been privy to other > > such instances which warp in a star system was stated to be a dangeous > > undertaking, you pendantic cunt. One would be Star Trek, TMP, and another > > that comes immediately to mind would be DS9's "By Inferno's Light" > ST:TMP . . . a starship with engine imbalance that creates a wormhole. > Otherwise, no danger specified. Thank you for supporting my argument. ST:TMP KIRK: "In order to intercept the intruder at the earliest possible time, we must now risk engaging warp drive while still within the Solar system" Thanks for proving, once again, you are completely ignorant of canon materials. Concession accepted on DS9's "By Inferno's Light" BTW. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:58:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <7vkdPLksTSz6MIsNRZzX+Hm+rWKn@4ax.com> -------- On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:01:24 -0600, "Guardian 2000" wrote: >> Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... >yes. > >When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? "By Inferno's Light." [snip emergency situations and early uses of warp] Thanks for picking the most atypical cases and holding them up as some sort of standard, you useless hatfucker. -- -LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "Calling it a chasm between idiotic fanboys that spend 10 hours creating a .jpg of a Starfury to masterbate to and those that enjoy laughing at them would be more appropriate." - Wayne Poe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:29:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vldmd$g5ki6$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Kynes" wrote in message news:7vkdPLksTSz6MIsNRZzX+Hm+rWKn@4ax.com... > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:01:24 -0600, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > > >> Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... > >yes. > > > >When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > "By Inferno's Light." > > [snip emergency situations and early uses of warp] > > Thanks for picking the most atypical cases and holding them up as some sort of > standard, you useless hatfucker. Atypical? That's entertaining . . . things that happen all the time are "atypical" when your *one* example is contradicted. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:47:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E3DDB.1D60A1A8@daltonator.net> -------- Kynes wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:01:24 -0600, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > > >> Since going to warp in a star system is considered extremely dangerous... > >yes. > > > >When did going to warp in a star system become dangerous? > > "By Inferno's Light." > > [snip emergency situations and early uses of warp] > > Thanks for picking the most atypical cases and holding them up as some sort of > standard, you useless hatfucker. Useless hatfucker, that's good :) -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:51:35 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C14F660.DDEBC2A3@shaw.ca> -------- Paradox wrote: > > C.S.Strowbridge wrote: > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't > > avoid the shots. > > Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? There's some confusion with that as well. Sometimes your supposed to avoid warp in gravity wells, other times your not. I'd say it's not good for the ships involved, but it could be just long term damage being done. Of course, if a ship is bopping along at warp 6 and it hits an unexpected gravity well the sudden forces would severely damage the ship by over powering the SIF. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:15:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote > Paradox wrote: > > Thats what I said, the trekkie ignored it. Did anyone figure out if > > interdictors would have any effect on a warp driven craft? > > There's some confusion with that as well. Sometimes your supposed to > avoid warp in gravity wells, other times your not. I'd say it's not good > for the ships involved, but it could be just long term damage being > done. > > Of course, if a ship is bopping along at warp 6 and it hits an > unexpected gravity well the sudden forces would severely damage the ship > by over powering the SIF. From what I remember, they were leaving orbit at warp one in the first season of TNG. They did it in TOS too. Then suddenly it was dangerous in some way during DS9's "By Inferno's Light" where the Bashir changeling is going to blow up Bajor's sun, and the fleet around DS9 wouldn't have been able to get out of the way in time for some reason. Don't know if it has anything to do with the whole "warp leaves a mess" thing. That was remedied BTW when they made nacelles angular and able to lock into different positions. ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:46:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vk4gj$fosiv$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca... > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't avoid > the shots. > > C.S.Strowbridge You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at warp speeds . . . deal with it. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:06:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1D9962.F440F199@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > news:3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca... > > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't avoid > > the shots. > > > > C.S.Strowbridge > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at warp > speeds . . . deal with it. Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:17:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vk69t$fmrp5$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3C1D9962.F440F199@daltonator.net... > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > > news:3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca... > > > > > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't avoid > > > the shots. > > > > > > C.S.Strowbridge > > > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at warp > > speeds . . . deal with it. > > Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:47:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1DA323.20DB1FEA@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3C1D9962.F440F199@daltonator.net... > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > > > news:3C13C9A8.1BB98735@shaw.ca... > > > > > > > > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > > > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't > avoid > > > > the shots. > > > > > > > > C.S.Strowbridge > > > > > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at warp > > > speeds . . . deal with it. > > > > Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? Oh wait, what was that quote? "Faster than light, no left or right." --Tom Paris -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "I need a drink." "You don't drink." "Yeah, but I've been meaning to start." ---UHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:46:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > "Dalton" wrote > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be easy > > > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't > > > > avoid the shots. > > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at warp > > > speeds . . . deal with it. > > Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:30:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vldnv$g6klb$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:u1rfojlcfh9d78@corp.supernews.com... > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > "Dalton" wrote > > > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be > easy > > > > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't > > > > > avoid the shots. > > > > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at > warp > > > > speeds . . . deal with it. > > > > Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. > > Well, then, *damn those streaking stars to hell* for lying. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:24:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. > Well, then, *damn those streaking stars to hell* for lying. Sorry, canon is a bitch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:38:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <9vnh2s$gcsl1$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:u1trpogtfhjjaa@corp.supernews.com... > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. > > > Well, then, *damn those streaking stars to hell* for lying. > > Sorry, canon is a bitch. > > Only for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:33:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E72AD.40A18ED9@yahoo.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > "Dalton" wrote > > > > > > Also, with the, 'Faster than light, no left or right' it would be > easy > > > > > to deal with warp strafing. Just fire into their path, they can't > > > > > avoid the shots. > > > > > You're *still* using that crap? Federation starships can turn at > warp > > > > speeds . . . deal with it. > > > > Canon evidence seems to say otherwise. > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. Actually, damn *these* streaking stars: http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning.bmp http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning2.bmp (In 256 colors to clear up the black space . . . I know how blind you are) Two seconds later http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturningstill.bmp http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturningstill2.bmp (256 colors) Continue to claim that the Phoenix was not at warp, and I shall continue to laugh at you. G2k ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:40:00 GMT Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1E81D7.8A93DE62@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > Continue to claim that the Phoenix was not at warp, and I shall continue to > laugh at you. That confirms that bridge officers are idiots that can't be trusted to give out any information then. Graeme Dice -- The First World War, caused by the assignation of the Arch-Duck by an anahist, ushered in a new error in the anals of human history. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:44:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. > > Actually, damn *these* streaking stars: > > http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning.bmp > > http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning2.bmp > (In 256 colors to clear up the black space . . . I know how blind you > are) Is THAT your excuse for these poorly rendered messes? And in .bmp format no less? Ok, I will concede they were at warp. But the Phoenix merely making a course change doesn't equal left or right maneuvering at warp. The Voyager quote still stands. What a surprise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:48:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tactics] Warp Strafing Message-ID: <3C1EF4C9.FE30E28@daltonator.net> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "Guardian 2000" wrote > > > > > Such as the Phoenix hanging a right in "The Wounded"[TNG]? > > > > > > Phoenix wasn't AT WARP when it did that, Scoot. > > > > Actually, damn *these* streaking stars: > > > > http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning.bmp > > > > http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/Phoenixturning2.bmp > > (In 256 colors to clear up the black space . . . I know how blind > you > > are) > > Is THAT your excuse for these poorly rendered messes? And in .bmp format no > less? > > Ok, I will concede they were at warp. But the Phoenix merely making a course > change doesn't equal left or right m