---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:28:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9juot5$1njlm$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kynes wrote in message ... >If humans aren't using money, they're using *something*, because these aren't >replicated eggs (that would defeat the purpose of the scene). So what the fuck >is going on? I think the real answer is that only Federation officers are >allowed to buy private goods, since the Federation is obviously communist. Oh puh-lease, not this bullshit again. >QUALITY OF REPLICATED FOOD Ah, of course this is an important point, since the battle won't be decided in great battles of opposing fleets, but on "The Iron Chef." >This is really one you have to see. But the gist is this: the Enterprise-D isn't >in range to tractor until Data engages the beam, and when he does, the shuttle >is literally a few meters from the open shuttlebay door! This establishes a >pretty good limit on the range of the E-D's tractor beam for objects around that >size. > Hey, dumbass, did you happen to notice that the shuttlecraft, stated to be in tractor range in two seconds, wasn't tractored until 20 seconds later? >ABILITIES OF BETAZOIDS Oh, silly me. It'll be "Iron Chef" plus a poker game that will determine the fate of mankind. If Emperor Old-Fart takes a nap mid-game, will Deanna know if he's bluffing? > PICARD: Using the gravitational pull of a star to slingshot back in > time. Is that what happened here? > >This at least establishes how the slingshot method of time travel works, . . . in case you missed Star Trek IV. >although it just makes VOY's "Threshold" more confusing. (more evidence that >whole episode was an illusion) Ooh, okay, low blow. You brought up "Threshold". We all know how bad that was. Just don't make me whip out KJA. :-) >SHUTTLECRAFT WARP CAPABILITY > >http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-shuttles.avi > > RIKER: The shuttle doesn't have warp capability. > > PICARD: No. Some external force was needed. > >Shuttles don't have warp drive. It's canon. The shuttlepod doesn't have warp capability. This was already known. Dumbass. >UPPER LIMIT OF TRACTOR BEAM POWER > >http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-tractorpower.avi > > PICARD: Captain's log, supplemental. We have apparently intersected with > > something. > > DATA: It is similar to our tractor beam, sir, only much more powerful. > > GEORDI: Bridge, this is Lt. LaForge. > > RIKER: Bridge. > > GEORDI: The pull on the Enterprise is steady; I'm having to hold the > warp engines at 30% in order to maintain our present position. > >As Data described the "something" as far more powerful than the E-D's tractor >beam, we can thus discern the power of the E-D's tractor beam must be no larger >than 1/3rd of its own warp engine's power. We can thus conclude that Imperial >ships, far more powerful than the Federation's, would have little trouble >escaping a tractor lock just by pulling the tractoring ship along until it let >go. What? Geordi was applying propulsive energies from the warp engines *just to keep them in place*, and the ship sure as hell wasn't doing warp. Your big lumbering flotsam wouldn't stand a chance of breaking a tractor lock by sublight propulsion alone. >THERMAL EFFECTS OF PHASERS > >http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-phaser.avi > > PICARD: I cannot allow you to leave. Before we can go forward, the cycle > > must end. [Shoots Picard-2] > >When Picard shoots the other Picard, there's an explosion of sparks and smoke >from his uniform and chest where the beam hits, further proof that phasers work >at least partly on thermal transfer. And this is surprising to you how? I am amused at how you ignored the fact that the Enterprise sensors detected the powerlessness of the shuttlecraft and registered the humanoid lifesign aboard her while more than three minutes away at warp speed. Assuming a cruising speed of warp six and (borrowing from the tech manual) assuming that works out to 400c (a somewhat conservative estimate, given that warp speeds often seem far faster), the sensors were getting this data at a minimum of 21.6 billion kilometers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:46:03 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <1epiOwJAUTTyISb9B8Kg3WuJPwOI@4ax.com> -------- On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:28:26 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: >>If humans aren't using money, they're using *something*, because these >aren't >>replicated eggs (that would defeat the purpose of the scene). So what the >fuck >>is going on? I think the real answer is that only Federation officers are >>allowed to buy private goods, since the Federation is obviously communist. > >Oh puh-lease, not this bullshit again. Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >>QUALITY OF REPLICATED FOOD > >Ah, of course this is an important point, since the battle won't be decided >in great battles of opposing fleets, but on "The Iron Chef." Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >>This is really one you have to see. But the gist is this: the Enterprise-D >isn't >>in range to tractor until Data engages the beam, and when he does, the >shuttle >>is literally a few meters from the open shuttlebay door! This establishes a >>pretty good limit on the range of the E-D's tractor beam for objects around >that >>size. >> > >Hey, dumbass, did you happen to notice that the shuttlecraft, stated to be >in tractor range in two seconds, wasn't tractored until 20 seconds later? Probably so they could turn the ship to get the shuttlebay door close to the shuttlecraft. >>ABILITIES OF BETAZOIDS > >Oh, silly me. It'll be "Iron Chef" plus a poker game that will determine >the fate of mankind. If Emperor Old-Fart takes a nap mid-game, will Deanna >know if he's bluffing? Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >> PICARD: Using the gravitational pull of a star to slingshot back in >> time. Is that what happened here? >> >>This at least establishes how the slingshot method of time travel works, > > . . . in case you missed Star Trek IV. Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >>SHUTTLECRAFT WARP CAPABILITY >> >>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-shuttles.avi >> >> RIKER: The shuttle doesn't have warp capability. >> >> PICARD: No. Some external force was needed. >> >>Shuttles don't have warp drive. It's canon. > >The shuttlepod doesn't have warp capability. This was already known. >Dumbass. Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >>UPPER LIMIT OF TRACTOR BEAM POWER >> >>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-tractorpower.avi >> >> PICARD: Captain's log, supplemental. We have apparently intersected with >> >> something. >> >> DATA: It is similar to our tractor beam, sir, only much more powerful. >> >> GEORDI: Bridge, this is Lt. LaForge. >> >> RIKER: Bridge. >> >> GEORDI: The pull on the Enterprise is steady; I'm having to hold the >> warp engines at 30% in order to maintain our present position. >> >>As Data described the "something" as far more powerful than the E-D's >tractor >>beam, we can thus discern the power of the E-D's tractor beam must be no >larger >>than 1/3rd of its own warp engine's power. We can thus conclude that >Imperial >>ships, far more powerful than the Federation's, would have little trouble >>escaping a tractor lock just by pulling the tractoring ship along until it >let >>go. > >What? Geordi was applying propulsive energies from the warp engines *just >to keep them in place*, and the ship sure as hell wasn't doing warp. Your >big lumbering flotsam wouldn't stand a chance of breaking a tractor lock by >sublight propulsion alone. Geordi was applying force equal to 30% of the warp engines' output. Any greater force than that and you're guaranteed to pull the other ship instead of them pulling you. >>THERMAL EFFECTS OF PHASERS >> >>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-phaser.avi >> >> PICARD: I cannot allow you to leave. Before we can go forward, the cycle >> >> must end. [Shoots Picard-2] >> >>When Picard shoots the other Picard, there's an explosion of sparks and >smoke >>from his uniform and chest where the beam hits, further proof that phasers >work >>at least partly on thermal transfer. > >And this is surprising to you how? Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >I am amused at how you ignored the fact that the Enterprise sensors detected >the powerlessness of the shuttlecraft and registered the humanoid lifesign >aboard her while more than three minutes away at warp speed. Assuming a >cruising speed of warp six and (borrowing from the tech manual) assuming >that works out to 400c (a somewhat conservative estimate, given that warp >speeds often seem far faster), the sensors were getting this data at a >minimum of 21.6 billion kilometers. Provide evidence for those assumptions. -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ryanwolf@erols.com ("Barking Mad" MKSheppard) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:54:17 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3b6730b0.15916535@news.erols.com> -------- On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:46:03 GMT, Kynes wrote: >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat Jesus Christ, Kynes. You ARE what you accuse others of being. A dumb fuck troll. All things being honest, is the quality of replicated food going to decide the fate of a SW vs ST battle? No. And did you miss my repeated posts providing evidence of the existence of heavy warp-capable shuttles being organic (part of the E-Ds normal complement of shuttles)? Oh that's right. You KFed me. Just end this charade and KF Guardian 2000 if you're not going to bother actually answering his points, instead of doing your bullshit six word dismissal. --------------------------------------------------------- "There are some opinions which are so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them." -George Orwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9k1rqk$28oqb$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kynes wrote in message <1epiOwJAUTTyISb9B8Kg3WuJPwOI@4ax.com>... >On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:28:26 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > >>>If humans aren't using money, they're using *something*, because these >>aren't >>>replicated eggs (that would defeat the purpose of the scene). So what the >>fuck >>>is going on? I think the real answer is that only Federation officers are >>>allowed to buy private goods, since the Federation is obviously communist. >> >>Oh puh-lease, not this bullshit again. > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat Then your lack of argument equals admission of defeat quite nicely, especially since I've blown this idea out of the water several times before. > >>>QUALITY OF REPLICATED FOOD >> >>Ah, of course this is an important point, since the battle won't be decided >>in great battles of opposing fleets, but on "The Iron Chef." > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat The point I was making, moron, is that you're chasing irrelevancies. > >>>This is really one you have to see. But the gist is this: the Enterprise-D >>isn't >>>in range to tractor until Data engages the beam, and when he does, the >>shuttle >>>is literally a few meters from the open shuttlebay door! This establishes a >>>pretty good limit on the range of the E-D's tractor beam for objects around >>that >>>size. >>> >> >>Hey, dumbass, did you happen to notice that the shuttlecraft, stated to be >>in tractor range in two seconds, wasn't tractored until 20 seconds later? > >Probably so they could turn the ship to get the shuttlebay door close to the >shuttlecraft. Or probably because they were already in position, but did not feel it necessary to waste the tractor beam power when the ship was already drifting into position quite nicely. > >>>ABILITIES OF BETAZOIDS >> >>Oh, silly me. It'll be "Iron Chef" plus a poker game that will determine >>the fate of mankind. If Emperor Old-Fart takes a nap mid-game, will Deanna >>know if he's bluffing? > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat No, just another example of you, the quintessential moron, chasing irrelevancies again. > >>> PICARD: Using the gravitational pull of a star to slingshot back in >>> time. Is that what happened here? >>> >>>This at least establishes how the slingshot method of time travel works, >> >> . . . in case you missed Star Trek IV. > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat No, I was pointing out that you're a dumbass. > >>>SHUTTLECRAFT WARP CAPABILITY >>> >>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-shuttles.avi >>> >>> RIKER: The shuttle doesn't have warp capability. >>> >>> PICARD: No. Some external force was needed. >>> >>>Shuttles don't have warp drive. It's canon. >> >>The shuttlepod doesn't have warp capability. This was already known. >>Dumbass. > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat No, because you were stating the obvious like it was a grand revelation. I was pointing out that you're a dumbass again. Your continuing lack of rebuttal must indicate your admission of defeat, by your own statements. > >>>UPPER LIMIT OF TRACTOR BEAM POWER >>> >>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-tractorpower.avi >>> >>> PICARD: Captain's log, supplemental. We have apparently intersected with >>> >>> something. >>> >>> DATA: It is similar to our tractor beam, sir, only much more powerful. >>> >>> GEORDI: Bridge, this is Lt. LaForge. >>> >>> RIKER: Bridge. >>> >>> GEORDI: The pull on the Enterprise is steady; I'm having to hold the >>> warp engines at 30% in order to maintain our present position. >>> >>>As Data described the "something" as far more powerful than the E-D's >>tractor >>>beam, we can thus discern the power of the E-D's tractor beam must be no >>larger >>>than 1/3rd of its own warp engine's power. We can thus conclude that >>Imperial >>>ships, far more powerful than the Federation's, would have little trouble >>>escaping a tractor lock just by pulling the tractoring ship along until it >>let >>>go. >> >>What? Geordi was applying propulsive energies from the warp engines *just >>to keep them in place*, and the ship sure as hell wasn't doing warp. Your >>big lumbering flotsam wouldn't stand a chance of breaking a tractor lock by >>sublight propulsion alone. > >Geordi was applying force equal to 30% of the warp engines' output. Any greater >force than that and you're guaranteed to pull the other ship instead of them >pulling you. Has it not occurred to you that had the vortex tractoring not been taking place, the ship would have been doing FTL? Short of punching into hyperdrive (which probably would not work, given the fact that hyperdrive doesn't like gravitational effects), you'd have to apply FTL power through your sublight propulsion systems . . . if we're talking about an ISD here, those lumbering pieces of crap couldn't hope to escape. > >>>THERMAL EFFECTS OF PHASERS >>> >>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-phaser.avi >>> >>> PICARD: I cannot allow you to leave. Before we can go forward, the cycle >>> >>> must end. [Shoots Picard-2] >>> >>>When Picard shoots the other Picard, there's an explosion of sparks and >>smoke >>>from his uniform and chest where the beam hits, further proof that phasers >>work >>>at least partly on thermal transfer. >> >>And this is surprising to you how? > >Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat Just another example of you being an idiot. > >>I am amused at how you ignored the fact that the Enterprise sensors detected >>the powerlessness of the shuttlecraft and registered the humanoid lifesign >>aboard her while more than three minutes away at warp speed. Assuming a >>cruising speed of warp six and (borrowing from the tech manual) assuming >>that works out to 400c (a somewhat conservative estimate, given that warp >>speeds often seem far faster), the sensors were getting this data at a >>minimum of 21.6 billion kilometers. > >Provide evidence for those assumptions. 1. They were travelling to a planet in an area where no other Federation starships were expected to be, for it was out a long way. Why putter along? 2. They were not performing any mapping or other experiments that might have required low warp. 3. They expected to reach the distant planet in three days. 4. Normal cruising speed is warp six. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ryanwolf@erols.com ("Barking Mad" MKSheppard) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:45:27 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3b667580.10766253@news.erols.com> -------- On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: >Or probably because they were already in position, but did not feel it >necessary to waste the tractor beam power when the ship was already drifting >into position quite nicely. Or maybe they were planning on using the Shuttlebay 2 tractor emitter instead, which is short-ranged.... --------------------------------------------------------- "There are some opinions which are so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them." -George Orwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:08:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9k2bl7$26p3k$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- "Barking Mad" MKSheppard wrote in message <3b667580.10766253@news.erols.com>... >On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > >>Or probably because they were already in position, but did not feel it >>necessary to waste the tractor beam power when the ship was already drifting >>into position quite nicely. > >Or maybe they were planning on using the Shuttlebay 2 tractor emitter instead, >which is short-ranged.... They certainly weren't using the ship's main tractor beam emitters (the one at the bottom of the secondary hull or the one on the front of the interconnecting neck), since the tractor beam that was observed was coming from almost directly above Shuttlebay 2 . . . and there's very little directly above Shuttlebay 2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:51:22 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <0Z9kO3nMd2iwIwaNgWUhwcX0NYBu@4ax.com> -------- On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: >>>>If humans aren't using money, they're using *something*, because these >>>aren't >>>>replicated eggs (that would defeat the purpose of the scene). So what the >>>fuck >>>>is going on? I think the real answer is that only Federation officers are >>>>allowed to buy private goods, since the Federation is obviously >communist. >>> >>>Oh puh-lease, not this bullshit again. >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >Then your lack of argument equals admission of defeat quite nicely, >especially since I've blown this idea out of the water several times before. The only thing you've ever blown is a plastic inflatable Roddenberry. Now fuck off. >>>>QUALITY OF REPLICATED FOOD >>> >>>Ah, of course this is an important point, since the battle won't be >decided >>>in great battles of opposing fleets, but on "The Iron Chef." >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >The point I was making, moron, is that you're chasing irrelevancies. Nope, just establishing facts. >>>>This is really one you have to see. But the gist is this: the >Enterprise-D >>>isn't >>>>in range to tractor until Data engages the beam, and when he does, the >>>shuttle >>>>is literally a few meters from the open shuttlebay door! This establishes >a >>>>pretty good limit on the range of the E-D's tractor beam for objects >around >>>that >>>>size. >>>> >>> >>>Hey, dumbass, did you happen to notice that the shuttlecraft, stated to be >>>in tractor range in two seconds, wasn't tractored until 20 seconds later? >> >>Probably so they could turn the ship to get the shuttlebay door close to >the >>shuttlecraft. > >Or probably because they were already in position, but did not feel it >necessary to waste the tractor beam power when the ship was already drifting >into position quite nicely. Yeah, wouldn't THAT be lucky? "Hey, guys, it's floating right into our shuttlebay! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!?!" >>>>ABILITIES OF BETAZOIDS >>> >>>Oh, silly me. It'll be "Iron Chef" plus a poker game that will determine >>>the fate of mankind. If Emperor Old-Fart takes a nap mid-game, will >Deanna >>>know if he's bluffing? >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >No, just another example of you, the quintessential moron, chasing >irrelevancies again. Just establishing the limitations of Betazoids, Scoot. You have some kind of problem with Trek inadequacies? >>>> PICARD: Using the gravitational pull of a star to slingshot back in >>>> time. Is that what happened here? >>>> >>>>This at least establishes how the slingshot method of time travel works, >>> >>> . . . in case you missed Star Trek IV. >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >No, I was pointing out that you're a dumbass. For establishing facts? Gee, pardon me. >>>>SHUTTLECRAFT WARP CAPABILITY >>>> >>>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-shuttles.avi >>>> >>>> RIKER: The shuttle doesn't have warp capability. >>>> >>>> PICARD: No. Some external force was needed. >>>> >>>>Shuttles don't have warp drive. It's canon. >>> >>>The shuttlepod doesn't have warp capability. This was already known. >>>Dumbass. >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >No, because you were stating the obvious like it was a grand revelation. No, I'm confirming with canon sources a fact which has surprised a lot of people. Now shut the fuck up and quit being a little twat. >>>>UPPER LIMIT OF TRACTOR BEAM POWER >>>> >>>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-tractorpower.avi >>>> >>>> PICARD: Captain's log, supplemental. We have apparently intersected with >>>> >>>> something. >>>> >>>> DATA: It is similar to our tractor beam, sir, only much more powerful. >>>> >>>> GEORDI: Bridge, this is Lt. LaForge. >>>> >>>> RIKER: Bridge. >>>> >>>> GEORDI: The pull on the Enterprise is steady; I'm having to hold the >>>> warp engines at 30% in order to maintain our present position. >>>> >>>>As Data described the "something" as far more powerful than the E-D's >>>tractor >>>>beam, we can thus discern the power of the E-D's tractor beam must be no >>>larger >>>>than 1/3rd of its own warp engine's power. We can thus conclude that >>>Imperial >>>>ships, far more powerful than the Federation's, would have little trouble >>>>escaping a tractor lock just by pulling the tractoring ship along until >it >>>let >>>>go. >>> >>>What? Geordi was applying propulsive energies from the warp engines >*just >>>to keep them in place*, and the ship sure as hell wasn't doing warp. >Your >>>big lumbering flotsam wouldn't stand a chance of breaking a tractor lock >by >>>sublight propulsion alone. >> >>Geordi was applying force equal to 30% of the warp engines' output. Any >greater >>force than that and you're guaranteed to pull the other ship instead of >them >>pulling you. > >Has it not occurred to you that had the vortex tractoring not been taking >place, the ship would have been doing FTL? Whoops, you're right! Since the Imperials have no way to go FTL, and certainly not millions of times faster than the Feds... ... wait a minute ... >>>>THERMAL EFFECTS OF PHASERS >>>> >>>>http://galactec.com/kynes/pdd/TNGTimeSquared-phaser.avi >>>> >>>> PICARD: I cannot allow you to leave. Before we can go forward, the cycle >>>> >>>> must end. [Shoots Picard-2] >>>> >>>>When Picard shoots the other Picard, there's an explosion of sparks and >>>smoke >>>>from his uniform and chest where the beam hits, further proof that >phasers >>>work >>>>at least partly on thermal transfer. >>> >>>And this is surprising to you how? >> >>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat > >Just another example of you being an idiot. Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. >>>I am amused at how you ignored the fact that the Enterprise sensors >detected >>>the powerlessness of the shuttlecraft and registered the humanoid lifesign >>>aboard her while more than three minutes away at warp speed. Assuming a >>>cruising speed of warp six and (borrowing from the tech manual) assuming >>>that works out to 400c (a somewhat conservative estimate, given that warp >>>speeds often seem far faster), the sensors were getting this data at a >>>minimum of 21.6 billion kilometers. >> >>Provide evidence for those assumptions. > >1. They were travelling to a planet in an area where no other Federation >starships were expected to be, for it was out a long way. Why putter >along? This in no way proves cruising speed is warp 6. Try again! >3. They expected to reach the distant planet in three days. Wow, this would help a lot if we knew HOW FAR THE PLANET WAS, you idiot. >4. Normal cruising speed is warp six. No proof, not to mention you've never proven how fast warp six is. -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:50:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9k2s5q$26ugb$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kynes wrote in message <0Z9kO3nMd2iwIwaNgWUhwcX0NYBu@4ax.com>... >On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > >>>>>If humans aren't using money, they're using *something*, because these >>>>aren't >>>>>replicated eggs (that would defeat the purpose of the scene). So what the >>>>fuck >>>>>is going on? I think the real answer is that only Federation officers are >>>>>allowed to buy private goods, since the Federation is obviously >>communist. >>>> >>>>Oh puh-lease, not this bullshit again. >>> >>>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >> >>Then your lack of argument equals admission of defeat quite nicely, >>especially since I've blown this idea out of the water several times before. > >The only thing you've ever blown is a plastic inflatable Roddenberry. Now fuck >off. Sorry to deflate your dreams of my homosexuality, but I'm not interested . . . though you may feel free to bite me. >>>>Hey, dumbass, did you happen to notice that the shuttlecraft, stated to be >>>>in tractor range in two seconds, wasn't tractored until 20 seconds later? >>> >>>Probably so they could turn the ship to get the shuttlebay door close to >>the >>>shuttlecraft. >> >>Or probably because they were already in position, but did not feel it >>necessary to waste the tractor beam power when the ship was already drifting >>into position quite nicely. > >Yeah, wouldn't THAT be lucky? "Hey, guys, it's floating right into our >shuttlebay! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!?!" Pretty good, since they were heading for the shuttle anyway. >Just establishing the limitations of Betazoids, Scoot. You take great pride in pointing out the obvious. >You have some kind of problem with Trek inadequacies? Nope. Just yours. >>>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >> >>No, I was pointing out that you're a dumbass. > >For establishing facts? Gee, pardon me. For parading the obvious like you've done something. >>>>>Shuttles don't have warp drive. It's canon. >>>> >>>>The shuttlepod doesn't have warp capability. This was already known. >>>>Dumbass. >>> >>>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >> >>No, because you were stating the obvious like it was a grand revelation. > >No, I'm confirming with canon sources a fact which has surprised a lot of >people. Now shut the fuck up and quit being a little twat. Shuttles have warp drive. Shuttlepods do not. Stop being a moron. >>Has it not occurred to you that had the vortex tractoring not been taking >>place, the ship would have been doing FTL? > >Whoops, you're right! Since the Imperials have no way to go FTL, and certainly >not millions of times faster than the Feds... Way to ignore an argument, moron. >>>Lack of Argument = Admission of Defeat >> >>Just another example of you being an idiot. > >Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and whine because >you're too poor to buy a clue. I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit for > >>>>I am amused at how you ignored the fact that the Enterprise sensors >>detected >>>>the powerlessness of the shuttlecraft and registered the humanoid lifesign >>>>aboard her while more than three minutes away at warp speed. Assuming a >>>>cruising speed of warp six and (borrowing from the tech manual) assuming >>>>that works out to 400c (a somewhat conservative estimate, given that warp >>>>speeds often seem far faster), the sensors were getting this data at a >>>>minimum of 21.6 billion kilometers. >>> >>>Provide evidence for those assumptions. >> >>1. They were travelling to a planet in an area where no other Federation >>starships were expected to be, for it was out a long way. Why putter >>along? > >This in no way proves cruising speed is warp 6. Try again! Cruising speed is known to be warp six, you idiot. > >>3. They expected to reach the distant planet in three days. > >Wow, this would help a lot if we knew HOW FAR THE PLANET WAS, you idiot. It was in BFE, so it had to be out a ways, moron. > >>4. Normal cruising speed is warp six. > >No proof, not to mention you've never proven how fast warp six is. No, but I made a conservative estimate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Poe Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:06:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > Kynes wrote: >> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and >> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit for Kynes, you big shit-for! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:56:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9k33jb$29rgg$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> Kynes wrote: > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit for > >Kynes, you big shit-for! Nah, he'd be a dickfor. Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) As I was saying, he feels he's the big shit for pointing out what is already known. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Poe Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:30:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > >> Kynes wrote: > > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit > for > > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:20:15 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B660731.7C6DA3BD@home.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) > > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? That would me ... he lied. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Poe Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:05:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Strowbridge wrote: > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) > > > > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? > > That would me ... he lied. Again. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:55:26 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B669C08.DDB2FDF7@home.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > Strowbridge wrote: > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? > > > > That would me ... he lied. > > Again. I checked some of his history, or at least the stuff I have on my system. Practically the first thing he did here was lie. In an e-mail he asked me to post the address to his web site cause he couldn't post to the NG, then he complained that I posted the contents of an e-mail without his permission. Bad start. Developed a reputation early and never tried to change. Hell, he still thinks it's completely unwarranted. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:49:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6B0050.B03357F7@yahoo.com> -------- Strowbridge wrote: > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > Strowbridge wrote: > > > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? > > > > > > That would me ... he lied. > > > > Again. > > I checked some of his history, or at least the stuff I have on my > system. Practically the first thing he did here was lie. You saying that proves that my words have been misunderstood, misconstrued, or misrepresented from the beginning. > In an e-mail he > asked me to post the address to his web site cause he couldn't post to > the NG, then he complained that I posted the contents of an e-mail > without his permission. If your claim is substantially accurate, then your answer is contained within. Dumbass. > Bad start. Developed a reputation early and never tried to change. Hell, > he still thinks it's completely unwarranted. That would be because it is unwarranted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 00:11:03 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6B3CF7.515CECF@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Strowbridge wrote: > > > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? > > > > > > > > That would me ... he lied. > > > > > > Again. > > > > I checked some of his history, or at least the stuff I have on my > > system. Practically the first thing he did here was lie. > > You saying that proves that my words have been misunderstood, > misconstrued, or misrepresented from the beginning. Wrong, you lied. You asked me to post the URL and when I did you complained that I did it without your permission. End of story. All this weaseling out won't help. It didn't work with Elim and it won't work with you. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:48:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9kklj8$54ra1$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Strowbridge wrote in message <3B6B3CF7.515CECF@home.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> Strowbridge wrote: > >> > > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? >> > > > >> > > > That would me ... he lied. >> > > >> > > Again. >> > >> > I checked some of his history, or at least the stuff I have on my >> > system. Practically the first thing he did here was lie. >> >> You saying that proves that my words have been misunderstood, >> misconstrued, or misrepresented from the beginning. > >Wrong, you lied. You asked me to post the URL and when I did you >complained that I did it without your permission. End of story. What an interesting story, too. A pity it is not true. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:29:05 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6DF24D.D1BC365A@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Strowbridge wrote: > >Wrong, you lied. You asked me to post the URL and when I did you > >complained that I did it without your permission. End of story. > > What an interesting story, too. A pity it is not true. I have the evidence that proves it, but I'm not going to post it cause we already know you're a liar and _nothing_ will prove to you that you are one. It would disrupt your delusion of persecution too much. But that is neither here nor there. So I'll just give you a little bit of advice. Whether it is warranted or not you have a reputation as an untrustworthy debater. You can do one of three things: 1.) Whine about it - Eventually people will just stop responding. 2.) Try to improve your behavior - I'll be having sex with Natalie Portman before this happens. 3.) Leave - At least it will be on your own terms. The choice is yours. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:24:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9l0frv$6ul1a$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Strowbridge wrote in message <3B6DF24D.D1BC365A@home.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> Strowbridge wrote: > >> >Wrong, you lied. You asked me to post the URL and when I did you >> >complained that I did it without your permission. End of story. >> >> What an interesting story, too. A pity it is not true. > >I have the evidence that proves it, but I'm not going to post it cause . . . it does not exist. >we already know you're a liar and _nothing_ will prove to you that you >are one. It would disrupt your delusion of persecution too much. I have no delusions that I am aware of. Feel free to demonstrate them if you can. > >But that is neither here nor there. So I'll just give you a little bit >of advice. > >Whether it is warranted or not you have a reputation as an untrustworthy >debater. You can do one of three things: > 1.) Whine about it - Eventually people will just stop responding. > 2.) Try to improve your behavior - I'll be having sex with Natalie >Portman before this happens. > 3.) Leave - At least it will be on your own terms. > >The choice is yours. Option four is to continue on, engaging in honest debate, and let the chips fall where they may. You suggest options that involve changes in my behavior or beliefs. In my opinion, it is your behavior/beliefs and the behavior/beliefs of others that have room for improvement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:42:04 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <39E30DEA.DE965FBC@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Strowbridge wrote: > >Whether it is warranted or not you have a reputation as an untrustworthy > >debater. You can do one of three things: > > 1.) Whine about it - Eventually people will just stop responding. > > 2.) Try to improve your behavior - I'll be having sex with Natalie > >Portman before this happens. > > 3.) Leave - At least it will be on your own terms. > > > >The choice is yours. > > Option four is to continue on, engaging in honest debate, and let the chips > fall where they may. Nope, Option four is And I suggest everyone else does the same. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6B007C.E54C8D18@yahoo.com> -------- Strowbridge wrote: > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) > > > > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... > > You mean he wasn't entirely truthful about the events that took place? > > That would me ... he lied. Your belief of that means [gasp!] you're a dumbass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 00:13:07 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6B3D74.1821C8DE@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > you're a dumbass. Get a new insult. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:48:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9kklkg$50krl$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Strowbridge wrote in message <3B6B3D74.1821C8DE@home.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> you're a dumbass. > >Get a new insult. > Why don't you try to stop being a dumbass instead? If you want to hear something different, then become something different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:46:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6AFF78.E568DE83@yahoo.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > > > > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > >> Kynes wrote: > > > > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and > > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > > > > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit > > for > > > > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! > > > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. > > > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) > > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... Perhaps because they were comments made before that one, chronologically. Dumbass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Poe Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:50:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > > > > > > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > > >> Kynes wrote: > > > > > > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and > > > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > > > > > > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit > > > for > > > > > > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! > > > > > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. > > > > > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) > > > > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... > Perhaps because they were comments made before that one, > chronologically. Dumbass. How unique. You start answering posts from the bottom first.... -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:50:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9kklmh$54j0c$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> Wayne Poe wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > >> > > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... >> > > > >> > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Kynes wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and >> > > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. >> > > > >> > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the big shit >> > > for >> > > > >> > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! >> > > >> > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. >> > > >> > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. :-) >> > >> > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... > >> Perhaps because they were comments made before that one, >> chronologically. Dumbass. > >How unique. You start answering posts from the bottom first.... Neither. I answer in whatever order suits me at the time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Poe Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:50:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > > > >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > >> Wayne Poe wrote: > >> > > >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> > > >> > > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > >> > > > > >> > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> Kynes wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and > >> > > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. > >> > > > > >> > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the > big shit > >> > > for > >> > > > > >> > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! > >> > > > >> > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. > >> > > > >> > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. > :-) > >> > > >> > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... > > > >> Perhaps because they were comments made before that one, > >> chronologically. Dumbass. > > > >How unique. You start answering posts from the bottom first.... > > Neither. I answer in whatever order suits me at the time. You're so full of shit I should twist your ears to flush your brain. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Durandal Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:23:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6EC48C.266E704A@mac.com> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > You're so full of shit I should twist your ears to flush your brain. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! This has to go in the FUQ. -- Damien Sorresso "The older you get, the more interested you are in Britney Spears." -John McCain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:46:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <3B6EE5F2.1CD6871C@daltonator.net> -------- Durandal wrote: > > Wayne Poe wrote: > > > You're so full of shit I should twist your ears to flush your brain. > > ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! > This has to go in the FUQ. Agreed. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net It takes a lot of brains to enjoy satire, humor and wit - but none to be offended by them. ---The Midnight Skulker (BC, 6/26/2000) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:26:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: <9l0g0t$72h97$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Wayne Poe wrote in message ... > >On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> Wayne Poe wrote in message ... >> > >> >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > >> >> Wayne Poe wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Wayne Poe wrote in message ... >> >> > > > >> >> > > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> Kynes wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> Just another example of me establishing facts while you piss and >> >> > > >>> whine because you're too poor to buy a clue. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> I have a clue. Obviously you do not, since you feel you're the >> big shit >> >> > > for >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Kynes, you big shit-for! >> >> > > >> >> > > Nah, he'd be a dickfor. >> >> > > >> >> > > Whoops. That's what I get for hitting "Post" when the door knocks. >> :-) >> >> > >> >> > Right......then why did all your comments after this get through.... >> > >> >> Perhaps because they were comments made before that one, >> >> chronologically. Dumbass. >> > >> >How unique. You start answering posts from the bottom first.... >> >> Neither. I answer in whatever order suits me at the time. > >You're so full of shit I should twist your ears to flush your brain. Yet another example of the facts proving you wrong and pissing you off. Good show, keep up the good work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:02:10 GMT Subject: Re: [PDD] TNG's "Time Squared" Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:50:10 -0500, "Guardian 2000" wrote: [snip non-responses and whines] >>>1. They were travelling to a planet in an area where no other Federation >>>starships were expected to be, for it was out a long way. Why putter >>>along? >> >>This in no way proves cruising speed is warp 6. Try again! > >Cruising speed is known to be warp six, you idiot. It's "known?" Well, it should be no problem to provide proof of that then. Go ahead. -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution