---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:35:37 -0500 Subject: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B585DD8.71294BFC@yahoo.com> -------- Interesting . . . I was able to download the first few minutes of "Equinox, Pt. I"[VOY], and was rather intrigued by the conversation I heard during the teaser: Capt: Stay the course! Ops: Shields are down to 29%, they're breaking through! Capt: Let them! Ops: Sir? Capt: Take the shields offline and recharge the emitters, that'll bring them up to full power! Ops: The recharging cycle takes 45 seconds, we'll be vulnerable! Capt: We'll be dead if we don't get the shields back up! Capt: Arm yourselves! Capt: Drop shields! This would seem to indicate that on newer starships (such as the Nova Class), semi-buckling shields can be very quickly restored, provided that one is willing to lose all protection for almost a minute. Is this correct, or does something later in the episode suggest something different? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sith79@aol.com (Kamakazie Sith) Date: 20 Jul 2001 14:16:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <89c4bcfd.0107201316.7d02210b@posting.google.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote in message news:<3B585DD8.71294BFC@yahoo.com>... > Interesting . . . I was able to download the first few minutes of > "Equinox, Pt. I"[VOY], and was rather intrigued by the conversation I > heard during the teaser: > > Capt: Stay the course! > Ops: Shields are down to 29%, they're breaking through! > Capt: Let them! > Ops: Sir? > Capt: Take the shields offline and recharge the emitters, that'll > bring them up to full power! > Ops: The recharging cycle takes 45 seconds, we'll be vulnerable! > Capt: We'll be dead if we don't get the shields back up! > Capt: Arm yourselves! > Capt: Drop shields! > > > This would seem to indicate that on newer starships (such as the Nova > Class), semi-buckling shields can be very quickly restored, provided > that one is willing to lose all protection for almost a minute. > > Is this correct, or does something later in the episode suggest > something different? Where did you download this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:17:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jaob6$nd0lq$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kamakazie Sith wrote in message <89c4bcfd.0107201316.7d02210b@posting.google.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote in message news:<3B585DD8.71294BFC@yahoo.com>... >> Interesting . . . I was able to download the first few minutes of >> "Equinox, Pt. I"[VOY], and was rather intrigued by the conversation I >> heard during the teaser: >> >> Capt: Stay the course! >> Ops: Shields are down to 29%, they're breaking through! >> Capt: Let them! >> Ops: Sir? >> Capt: Take the shields offline and recharge the emitters, that'll >> bring them up to full power! >> Ops: The recharging cycle takes 45 seconds, we'll be vulnerable! >> Capt: We'll be dead if we don't get the shields back up! >> Capt: Arm yourselves! >> Capt: Drop shields! >> >> >> This would seem to indicate that on newer starships (such as the Nova >> Class), semi-buckling shields can be very quickly restored, provided >> that one is willing to lose all protection for almost a minute. >> >> Is this correct, or does something later in the episode suggest >> something different? > > >Where did you download this? I was granted access to a high-speed internet connection and a CD-burner. I have the aforementioned bits of Equinox, Dark Frontier, the crash scene from whichever episode that is where Voyager plows into the snow, and various other bits and pieces. Suggestion if you want to replicate such minor successes: Limewire. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:46:01 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: -------- Kamakazie Sith wrote in message news:89c4bcfd.0107201316.7d02210b@posting.google.com... > Guardian 2000 wrote in message news:<3B585DD8.71294BFC@yahoo.com>... > > Interesting . . . I was able to download the first few minutes of > > "Equinox, Pt. I"[VOY], and was rather intrigued by the conversation I > > heard during the teaser: > > > > Capt: Stay the course! > > Ops: Shields are down to 29%, they're breaking through! > > Capt: Let them! > > Ops: Sir? > > Capt: Take the shields offline and recharge the emitters, that'll > > bring them up to full power! > > Ops: The recharging cycle takes 45 seconds, we'll be vulnerable! > > Capt: We'll be dead if we don't get the shields back up! > > Capt: Arm yourselves! > > Capt: Drop shields! > > > > > > This would seem to indicate that on newer starships (such as the Nova > > Class), semi-buckling shields can be very quickly restored, provided > > that one is willing to lose all protection for almost a minute. > > > > Is this correct, or does something later in the episode suggest > > something different? > > > Where did you download this? Duno but its correct. Its not contradicted realy as most trek ships captains are not insane enough to shut down the shield gird for a minuite in battle (unless of course its the E-D). The Promethus class might be a more advacned version of this. It is one of the first trek ships to have regenerative shields installed (its the latest in weapons testbeds, Defiant-Soverign-Promethus). There is a good chance regenerative shields work in the same way as shown, without having to drop the shields. Would exaplin how in Message In a bottle. the warbirds opening volley blew the shields down to 20% but they still survived a pair of Defiants pounding on it and another warbird volley if the shields all the time were recharging... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:21:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jf8no$nr8lv$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Chris O'Farrell wrote in message ... > >Kamakazie Sith wrote in message >news:89c4bcfd.0107201316.7d02210b@posting.google.com... >> Guardian 2000 wrote in message >news:<3B585DD8.71294BFC@yahoo.com>... >> > Interesting . . . I was able to download the first few minutes of >> > "Equinox, Pt. I"[VOY], and was rather intrigued by the conversation I >> > heard during the teaser: >> > >> > Capt: Stay the course! >> > Ops: Shields are down to 29%, they're breaking through! >> > Capt: Let them! >> > Ops: Sir? >> > Capt: Take the shields offline and recharge the emitters, that'll >> > bring them up to full power! >> > Ops: The recharging cycle takes 45 seconds, we'll be vulnerable! >> > Capt: We'll be dead if we don't get the shields back up! >> > Capt: Arm yourselves! >> > Capt: Drop shields! >> > >> > >> > This would seem to indicate that on newer starships (such as the Nova >> > Class), semi-buckling shields can be very quickly restored, provided >> > that one is willing to lose all protection for almost a minute. >> > >> > Is this correct, or does something later in the episode suggest >> > something different? >> >> >> Where did you download this? > >Duno but its correct. Its not contradicted realy as most trek ships captains >are not insane enough to shut down the shield gird for a minuite in battle >(unless of course its the E-D). The Promethus class might be a more advacned >version of this. It is one of the first trek ships to have regenerative >shields installed (its the latest in weapons testbeds, >Defiant-Soverign-Promethus). There is a good chance regenerative shields >work in the same way as shown, without having to drop the shields. Would >exaplin how in Message In a bottle. the warbirds opening volley blew the >shields down to 20% but they still survived a pair of Defiants pounding on >it and another warbird volley if the shields all the time were recharging... I've been trying like hell to get "Message in a Bottle", but to no avail. Thanks for the info, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:16:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jg10g$nobhn$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the plague. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:10:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the > plague. :-) And you wonder why people call you an asshole. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:00:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jgal5$npdbs$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Dalton wrote in message <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the >> plague. :-) > >And you wonder why people call you an asshole. No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:29:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5BB61E.B6E24549@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Dalton wrote in message <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net>... > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like > the > >> plague. :-) > > > >And you wonder why people call you an asshole. > > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. Yes, but you are also condescending. We don't like that. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bazquux" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:26:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: -------- > > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? > > > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style > > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. > > Yes, but you are also condescending. We don't like that. Haha, you love that. Don't deny it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5C90D5.B73A473F@yahoo.com> -------- Dalton wrote: > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > Dalton wrote in message <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net>... > > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like > > the > > >> plague. :-) > > > > > >And you wonder why people call you an asshole. > > > > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? > > > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style > > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. > > Yes, but you are also condescending. We don't like that. Condescending? "We don't like that"? Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the omnipotence to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. If I'm condescending, and all you guys get is me, I'd say it's a bargain. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:36:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5C98E0.33947488@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Dalton wrote: > > > > Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > Dalton wrote in message <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net>... > > > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like > > > the > > > >> plague. :-) > > > > > > > >And you wonder why people call you an asshole. > > > > > > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? > > > > > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style > > > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. > > > > Yes, but you are also condescending. We don't like that. > > Condescending? "We don't like that"? Arr, ye wee scurvy landlubber. > Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the > Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q With due reason! They've been here a long time. They had to deal with TOWNMNBS! > (but without the omnipotence > to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > Poe, What's wrong with 'em? > and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. They are gods among nerds. > If I'm condescending, and all you guys get is me, I'd say it's a > bargain. That's the thing. In the past we've had much worse than you. Bastard. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jj2io$o7837$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Dalton wrote in message <3B5C98E0.33947488@daltonator.net>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> Dalton wrote: >> > >> > Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > > >> > > Dalton wrote in message <3B5B87AF.FE9EF5B7@daltonator.net>... >> > > >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like >> > > the >> > > >> plague. :-) >> > > > >> > > >And you wonder why people call you an asshole. >> > > >> > > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? >> > > >> > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style >> > > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. >> > >> > Yes, but you are also condescending. We don't like that. >> >> Condescending? "We don't like that"? > >Arr, ye wee scurvy landlubber. Aye, matie. > >> Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the >> Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q > >With due reason! They've been here a long time. They had to deal with >TOWNMNBS! And I have had to deal with them. Sounds about equal. :-) > >> (but without the omnipotence >> to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and >> Poe, > >What's wrong with 'em? Ahem: "Federation cultist claims" . . . "stupid Trekkie arguments" . . . and other things repeated over and over again like a mantra. > >> and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. > >They are gods among nerds. Well, then, I'm a non-believer about *everything*, huh? > >> If I'm condescending, and all you guys get is me, I'd say it's a >> bargain. > >That's the thing. In the past we've had much worse than you. Bastard. That's "Official Bastard", thank you very much. :-) TOWNMNBS was before my time. Was he condescending? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DMZ" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:28:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <995970516.20751.0.nnrp-02.3e31960d@news.demon.co.uk> -------- "Guardian 2000" wrote in message news:9jj2io$o7837$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de... > >> (but without the omnipotence > >> to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > >> Poe, > > > >What's wrong with 'em? > > Ahem: "Federation cultist claims" . . . "stupid Trekkie arguments" . . . > and other things repeated over and over again like a mantra. My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: "Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding neutronium, lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix acceleration", according to the SWE." "Treknology is not based on real physics... ...technobabble words are used to describe it." DMZ --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:56:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jlc3t$oi0je$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:04:12 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5D717E.5374F3AE@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Dalton wrote: > > > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> (but without the omnipotence to back it up). Trekkers have to put up > >> with the pages of Wong and Poe, > > > >What's wrong with 'em? > > Ahem: "Federation cultist claims" Have you read the site FAQ? C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:08:53 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9apdOytWLK6jp4lEgGyv5lTn4D0p@4ax.com> -------- On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500, Guardian 2000 wrote: >Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the >Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the omnipotence >to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and >Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. Add P&SC to the list and guess what we have? -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sith79@aol.com (Kamakazie Sith) Date: 24 Jul 2001 21:52:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <89c4bcfd.0107242052.d9a70d6@posting.google.com> -------- Kynes wrote in message news:<9apdOytWLK6jp4lEgGyv5lTn4D0p@4ax.com>... > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > >Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the > >Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the omnipotence > >to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > >Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. > > Add P&SC to the list and guess what we have? Mickey Mouse Club? :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:37:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5E5B0D.384006DC@daltonator.net> -------- Kamakazie Sith wrote: > > Kynes wrote in message news:<9apdOytWLK6jp4lEgGyv5lTn4D0p@4ax.com>... > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > >Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the > > >Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the omnipotence > > >to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > > >Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. > > > > Add P&SC to the list and guess what we have? > > Mickey Mouse Club? :) Your worst fucking nightmare. P&SC could tear Guardian and yourself apart without even trying. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rob.wn5" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:54:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3B5E5B0D.384006DC@daltonator.net... > Kamakazie Sith wrote: > > > > Kynes wrote in message news:<9apdOytWLK6jp4lEgGyv5lTn4D0p@4ax.com>... > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500, Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > > > > >Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the > > > >Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the omnipotence > > > >to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > > > >Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. > > > > > > Add P&SC to the list and guess what we have? > > > > Mickey Mouse Club? :) > > Your worst fucking nightmare. P&SC could tear Guardian and yourself > apart without even trying. Well, I've been a way a while, but after an admitedly shaky start, I don't think Kamakazie really deserves to be lumped in with Garbage2000. Rob Wilson > > -- > Rob "Roby" Dalton > http://daltonator.net > > The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. > Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:49:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5F6930.A2F595D9@daltonator.net> -------- "rob.wn5" wrote: > > "Dalton" wrote in message > news:3B5E5B0D.384006DC@daltonator.net... > > Kamakazie Sith wrote: > > > > > > Kynes wrote in message > news:<9apdOytWLK6jp4lEgGyv5lTn4D0p@4ax.com>... > > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:13 -0500, Guardian 2000 > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dalton, man, I love ya, but if I'm condescending, then most of the > > > > >Warsie crew is as snooty and haughty as Q (but without the > omnipotence > > > > >to back it up). Trekkers have to put up with the pages of Wong and > > > > >Poe, and the writings of Kynes, Graeme, Poe, et cetera. > > > > > > > > Add P&SC to the list and guess what we have? > > > > > > Mickey Mouse Club? :) > > > > Your worst fucking nightmare. P&SC could tear Guardian and yourself > > apart without even trying. > > Well, I've been a way a while, but after an admitedly shaky start, I don't > think Kamakazie really deserves to be lumped in with Garbage2000. Oh, I wasn't lumping them together. They were just a couple of names immediately visible :) -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jedi Knight Toren Depor Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:20:19 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5CF751.5000505@home.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? > > That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style > of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. The reason you are the target of Warsies insults is because day in and day out you make ridicilous statement about Trek superiority without evenidence to support your claims. -- Jedi Knight Toren Depor (aka Filmmaker Matt Pfingsten) E-Mail: jeditoren@home.com Phone: 360.281.7618 ICQ: JediToren, 69348681 AIM: JediToren The Matt Pfingsten Home Page: http://www.pfing.cjb.net Toren Depor's Jedi Temple: http://www.jeditoren.cjb.net --Links-- 24FPS.Com, filmmaking resources: http://www.24fps.com TheForce.Net, your daily dose of Star Wars: http://www.theforce.net Animation:Master, high-end 3D app: http://www.hash.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:02:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jj2lq$nfcf4$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Jedi Knight Toren Depor wrote in message <3B5CF751.5000505@home.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: > > >> No, no, I'm the Official ASVS Bastard, remember? >> >> That's the part I find most amusing, given the "insults'r'us" argument style >> of many of the pro-Wars denizens. I'm quite tame by comparison. > >The reason you are the target of Warsies insults is because day in and >day out you make ridicilous statement about Trek superiority without >evenidence to support your claims. > Oh, of course, yes, you're right. Oh, wait, just a thought . . . could you provide evidence of that? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kazuaki Shimazaki Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:58:07 +0800 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5BAEDF.27AB@netvigator.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the > plague. :-) I have a hypothesis, just a hypothesis, based on my feelings when I first read that account. My feelings were, "Oh, REALLLLYYYYYYYY! As if it'll make a squat of difference." So, it would seem that if the shields are failing, they can recycle them to full strength. Interesting ability, but... If the rest of our stuff is right, it wouldn't make a quanta of difference. In a *real* battle where you've just taken enough fire to lose 71% of your shields, do you *really* think you'll still be alive after lowering them altogether for forty five seconds? I can just see this scene: LaForge: The Star Destroyer is taking out our shields with light turbolasers! We've got about 18% remaining! Picard:OK, drop the shields and recycle. LaForge drops shields to recycle. Instantly turbolaser bolts smash into the hull. At the end of forty five seconds, the Enterprise had ceased to exist. Director: CUT! Well down gentlemen. --- Or, even this: LaForge: Our shields are at 100% ready. SCREENPLAY: A HTL bolt sails through space and hits the Enterprise. THe Enterprise blows up. Director: CUT! Very good! Very good! --- Maybe we weren't avoiding it, just ignoring it :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:26:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote in message <3B5BAEDF.27AB@netvigator.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the >> plague. :-) > >I have a hypothesis, just a hypothesis, based on my feelings when I >first read that account. > >My feelings were, "Oh, REALLLLYYYYYYYY! As if it'll make a squat of >difference." > >So, it would seem that if the shields are failing, they can recycle them >to full strength. Interesting ability, but... > >If the rest of our stuff is right, it wouldn't make a quanta of >difference. In a *real* battle where you've just taken enough fire to >lose 71% of your shields, do you *really* think you'll still be alive >after lowering them altogether for forty five seconds? > >I can just see this scene: > >LaForge: The Star Destroyer is taking out our shields with light >turbolasers! We've got about 18% remaining! >Picard:OK, drop the shields and recycle. >LaForge drops shields to recycle. Instantly turbolaser bolts smash into >the hull. At the end of forty five seconds, the Enterprise had ceased to >exist. > >Director: CUT! Well down gentlemen. >--- >Or, even this: > >LaForge: Our shields are at 100% ready. > >SCREENPLAY: A HTL bolt sails through space and hits the Enterprise. THe >Enterprise blows up. > >Director: CUT! Very good! Very good! >--- > >Maybe we weren't avoiding it, just ignoring it :) Actually, it would go more like this: (Enterprise-D bridge) Riker: "Sir, don't you think we should shoot them? I know you want to keep hailing them, but they've been shooting at us for over an hour, and . . . " (cut to exterior view while Riker is still talking, showing the Star Destroyer's nose almost parked in Ten-Forward) " . . . and those shots which have actually hit us have withered the shields a bit." Picard: "Alright, Number One, we'll move off and make repairs. Helm, course 190 mark 5, full impulse." (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) Picard: "All stop. Distance from hostile?" Worf: "100,000 kilometers." Picard: "Shields down. Recharge the shield emitters. Fire warning shots across her bow. What's the hostile's ETA?" Worf: "Six minutes." Picard: "(sigh) . . . Number One, if we're going to fight them, should we not hail them and ask that they present us a challenge?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:31:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > > (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the > Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high speeds when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the Enterprise at Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like this... (A chase scene follow, featuring the Enterprise lumbering away while the Star Destroyer crew laughs their asses off at the feeble attempt to get away.) -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:03:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jj2mv$o3r2f$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Transcend wrote in message <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain>... >In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > wrote: > > >> >> (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the >> Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) > >Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high speeds >when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the Enterprise at >Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like this... When have we ever seen that? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:52:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <20010724.025214.1383462416.1318@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <9jj2mv$o3r2f$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > Transcend wrote in message > <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain>... >>In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the >>> Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) >> >>Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high speeds >>when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the Enterprise >>at Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like this... > > When have we ever seen that? Endor. -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:16:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jlju7$nu6vd$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Transcend wrote in message <20010724.025214.1383462416.1318@localhost.localdomain>... >In article <9jj2mv$o3r2f$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > wrote: > >> Transcend wrote in message >> <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain>... >>>In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the >>>> Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) >>> >>>Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high speeds >>>when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the Enterprise >>>at Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like this... >> >> When have we ever seen that? > >Endor. When? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:56:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <20010725.155609.902020995.2038@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <9jlju7$nu6vd$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > Transcend wrote in message > <20010724.025214.1383462416.1318@localhost.localdomain>... >>In article <9jj2mv$o3r2f$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >> wrote: >> >>> Transcend wrote in message >>> <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain>... >>>>In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while >>>>> the Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) >>>> >>>>Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high >>>>speeds when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the >>>>Enterprise at Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like >>>>this... >>> >>> When have we ever seen that? >> >>Endor. > > When? > > When the ISDs had to come around from the opposite side of the planet, and then come to a complete stop, within seconds of the arrival of the rebel fleet. -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:16:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jtadt$1l6lm$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Transcend wrote in message <20010725.155609.902020995.2038@localhost.localdomain>... >In article <9jlju7$nu6vd$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > wrote: > >> Transcend wrote in message >> <20010724.025214.1383462416.1318@localhost.localdomain>... >>>In article <9jj2mv$o3r2f$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Transcend wrote in message >>>> <20010723.043129.1010877079.2651@localhost.localdomain>... >>>>>In article <9jgc4q$o0k7e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while >>>>>> the Star Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her.) >>>>> >>>>>Lumber? Don't you recall that ISDs can accellerate at rather high >>>>>speeds when necessary? It could at the very least keep up with the >>>>>Enterprise at Impulse speeds. In fact I'd say it goes more like >>>>>this... >>>> >>>> When have we ever seen that? >>> >>>Endor. >> >> When? >> >> > >When the ISDs had to come around from the opposite side of the planet, >and then come to a complete stop, within seconds of the arrival of the >rebel fleet. I'll take a look. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:33:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5BB744.E7C20381@daltonator.net> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote in message <3B5BAEDF.27AB@netvigator.com>... > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like > the > >> plague. :-) > > > >I have a hypothesis, just a hypothesis, based on my feelings when I > >first read that account. > > > >My feelings were, "Oh, REALLLLYYYYYYYY! As if it'll make a squat of > >difference." > > > >So, it would seem that if the shields are failing, they can recycle them > >to full strength. Interesting ability, but... > > > >If the rest of our stuff is right, it wouldn't make a quanta of > >difference. In a *real* battle where you've just taken enough fire to > >lose 71% of your shields, do you *really* think you'll still be alive > >after lowering them altogether for forty five seconds? > > > >I can just see this scene: > > > >LaForge: The Star Destroyer is taking out our shields with light > >turbolasers! We've got about 18% remaining! > >Picard:OK, drop the shields and recycle. > >LaForge drops shields to recycle. Instantly turbolaser bolts smash into > >the hull. At the end of forty five seconds, the Enterprise had ceased to > >exist. > > > >Director: CUT! Well down gentlemen. > >--- > >Or, even this: > > > >LaForge: Our shields are at 100% ready. > > > >SCREENPLAY: A HTL bolt sails through space and hits the Enterprise. THe > >Enterprise blows up. > > > >Director: CUT! Very good! Very good! > >--- > > > >Maybe we weren't avoiding it, just ignoring it :) > > Actually, it would go more like this: > > (Enterprise-D bridge) > > Riker: "Sir, we're losing antimatter containment!" > > Picard: "Alright, Number One, we'll move off and make repairs. Helm, > course 190 mark 5, full impulse." > > (A chase scene follows, featuring the Enterprise zipping off while the Star > Destroyer desperately tries to lumber after her. Suddenly, the Enterprise is > snagged in an unbreakable tractor beam lock.) > > Picard: "What happened?" > > Worf: "They have caught us in a tractor beam! We cannot move!" > > (ISD fires an ion cannon straight down the Enterprise's throad.) > > Worf: "Containment shields at six percent! Collapse is imminent!" > > (Enterprise blows up.) Edited to reflect what would really happen. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net The best defense against fanaticism is indifference. Of course, a flamethrower helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kazuaki Shimazaki Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:46:48 +0800 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5BBA48.584B@netvigator.com> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: The point is *not* what you think would happen. You seem to be wondering why we aren't responding. I gave you a reason. To see why we aren't responding, you look at it via our eyes, not yours. My story is a lot closer to what we see than what you see. End of statement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:05:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <9jj2qq$nu1g6$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote in message <3B5BBA48.584B@netvigator.com>... >Guardian 2000 wrote: > > > >The point is *not* what you think would happen. You seem to be wondering >why we aren't responding. I gave you a reason. To see why we aren't >responding, you look at it via our eyes, not yours. My story is a lot >closer to what we see than what you see. > >End of statement. Quite true. And I gave the viewpoint of why you fellas ought to have replied. (But, I would like to applaud you. The above is downright diplomatic.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:08 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5BB481.FAFD8379@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Guardian 2000 wrote: > > I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the > plague. :-) Why should we discuss it? It's nothing more than stating capabilities that are obvious. Graeme Dice -- "I'd like to apologise for my previous comments. This constant pedantry, flaming, personal assaults and character assassination can get to you sometimes. I can still hear the sound of the big egos as they sound off across the battlefield, ringing in my ears." -- The Ambivalent DMZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:28:46 GMT Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: -------- On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:08 GMT, Graeme Dice wrote: >Guardian 2000 wrote: >> >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the >> plague. :-) > >Why should we discuss it? It's nothing more than stating capabilities >that are obvious. No kidding. This is the biggest "so what" thread I've ever read. Wow, if you take your shields offline, you can use the energy you would have spent keeping them up to recharge them? Why, how novel! How useless! -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guardian 2000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:47:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tech] Shield Recharge Message-ID: <3B5CA982.F6CA3FB3@yahoo.com> -------- Kynes wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:08 GMT, Graeme Dice wrote: > > >Guardian 2000 wrote: > >> > >> I'm intrigued by the fact that the Warsies are avoiding this thread like the > >> plague. :-) > > > >Why should we discuss it? It's nothing more than stating capabilities > >that are obvious. > > No kidding. This is the biggest "so what" thread I've ever read. Wow, if you > take your shields offline, you can use the energy you would have spent keeping > them up to recharge them? Why, how novel! How useless! The point was that it took 45 seconds, not the long periods of time as seen in "Tin Man"[TNG].