---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:15:45 -0700 Subject: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- http://h4h.com/louis/spock.html -- "I'm sick of this canon bitching. The Trekkies have six hundred fucking hours of canon to work with. We have about TEN, not counting the novelizations, Radio scripts, etc. Stop crying because of 200GT turbolasers." --- Dalton http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:18:33 GMT Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uk1n77pdidej66@corp.supernews.com... > http://h4h.com/louis/spock.html Ah, yes, you started this over at SD.Net. I said it there, and I'll say it again... I don't think Spock is infallible. But, most of your examples are stupid, wrong, or just plain old lies. One particular point of interest... you mention the moons seen in the original version of ST:TMP. They aren't there in the Special Edition. Has anyone heard whether the new version supercedes the old one, or is it up in the air? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:31:55 -0700 Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > http://h4h.com/louis/spock.html > Ah, yes, you started this over at SD.Net. Your powers of observation are without equal... > I said it there, and I'll say it again... I don't think Spock is infallible. > But, most of your examples are stupid, Of course they are. That's why I pointed them out. > wrong, Proof? > or just plain old lies. Proof? > One particular point of interest... you mention the moons seen in the > original version of ST:TMP. They aren't there in the Special Edition. Doesn't matter. That scene wasn't changed by new fx, just wasn't shown. Therefore, that section of the Vulcan sky remains unchanged. > Has anyone heard whether the new version supercedes the old one, or is it up > in the air? The old one still stands. Roddenberry isn't alive to approve the new one... -- "Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations, mutilate science, nitpick unrelentingly, commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies, etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments." Darth Wong http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Beeblebear" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:46:30 +0100 Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- > > > One particular point of interest... you mention the moons seen in the > > original version of ST:TMP. They aren't there in the Special Edition. > > Doesn't matter. That scene wasn't changed by new fx, just wasn't shown. > Therefore, that section of the Vulcan sky remains unchanged. > > > Has anyone heard whether the new version supercedes the old one, or is it > up > > in the air? > > The old one still stands. Roddenberry isn't alive to approve the new one... > Does this mean that everything after Roddenberry's death does not stand, because he couldn't approve that either? -- -- Chris Lyth (CLyth@ifis.org.uk) Sometimes you have to be careful when selecting a new name for yourself. For instance, let's say you have chosen the nickname "Fly Head." Normally you would think that "Fly Head" would mean a person who has beautiful swept-back features, as if flying through the air. But think again. Couldn't it also mean "having a head like a fly"? I'm afraid some people might actually think that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:14:20 -0700 Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- "Beeblebear" wrote in message news:ahubiu$lbd$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > The old one still stands. Roddenberry isn't alive to approve the new > one... > Does this mean that everything after Roddenberry's death does not stand, > because he couldn't approve that either? Well, according to DarkStar's view of Official Canon.... -- "Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations, mutilate science, nitpick unrelentingly, commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies, etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments." Darth Wong http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html > -- > Chris Lyth (CLyth@ifis.org.uk) > Sometimes you have to be careful when selecting a new name for > yourself. For instance, let's say you have chosen the nickname > "Fly Head." Normally you would think that "Fly Head" would mean > a person who has beautiful swept-back features, as if flying > through the air. But think again. Couldn't it also mean "having > a head like a fly"? I'm afraid some people might actually think > that. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:22:46 GMT Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uk5mf0fj7pp125@corp.supernews.com... > > > "Beeblebear" wrote in message > news:ahubiu$lbd$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > The old one still stands. Roddenberry isn't alive to approve the new > > one... > > > Does this mean that everything after Roddenberry's death does not stand, > > because he couldn't approve that either? > > Well, according to DarkStar's view of Official Canon.... Funny, I don't seem to recall mentioning Roddenberry, since he's dead and therefore no longer owns the franchise. As for the Vulcan sky, you know there was daylight and hazy sky in the new version, right? So your claim that the sky behind Spock still looked like original version is quite stupid, since you'd have to have a thick yellowish haze suddenly stop and become a starlit sky. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 21:01:39 -0700 Subject: Re: The "Infallable" Mr. Spock Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > > Well, according to DarkStar's view of Official Canon.... > Funny, I don't seem to recall mentioning Roddenberry, since he's dead and > therefore no longer owns the franchise. Doesn't matter. > As for the Vulcan sky, you know there was daylight and hazy sky in the new > version, right? So your claim that the sky behind Spock still looked like > original version is quite stupid, since you'd have to have a thick yellowish > haze suddenly stop and become a starlit sky. Nope. In that region, there wew active volcanoes in that valley. Anyway, its still canon. -- "Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations, mutilate science, nitpick unrelentingly, commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies, etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments." Darth Wong http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html > >