---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) Date: 02 Sep 2002 17:01:48 GMT Subject: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: <20020902130148.07118.00001368@mb-mv.aol.com> -------- Being an account of Robert Scott Anderson's attempts to undermine the Pro-Wars debators, and win the STvsSW debate. It probably deserves a place in the (In)famous trolls and idiots page. 1) Throw out Official sources. Official material in Star Wars is so vast and numerous that it would take Robert months to even attempt to make bullshit to disprove all the damning evidence, especially the new Episode II ICS. So, he has chosen a rarely beaten path, one usually reserved for the only person stupider than him in the NG's history: TJ's claims that only the movies count. If he had actually proven this, he would have single-handedly devastated the opposition. As it is, he's just retreading an ancient, overdone argument that was disproven several years ago. 2) Remove the ESB asteroid calc's. If he can prove the asteroid's weren't vaporized, our intrepid Trekkie reasons, he can throw out the firepower calculations from it, freeing him of the burden of light turbolasers that would effortless blast through a Sovereign-class. Sadly, he hasn't been able to do this, as there's no proof anywhere they weren't vaporized(As for his odd definition of vaporized, one need only read his page on the VOY episode 'Rise'.) 3) Make the Death Star Superlaser into a chain reaction. This will prevent the Pro-Wars side from using the 'firepower of half the starfleet' calcs, thus effectively removing the last bastion of objective calculations. Unfortunately for Baldstar, this too has no evidence to back it up, and he is forced to resort to handwaving and claims of an unknown force, while Occam's Razor viciously cuts his theory to ribbons. If he had been able to succeed in proving these three arguments, he would have brought Wars down to the ground with a crash. It's just a damned pity he can't prove them. The above was created by the help of an interview with a local cuttlefish, whose resemblence to Dark Star is uncanny, both in appearance, intelligence, and the tendency to throw up alot of ink and hide behind the result. We thank the anonymous cuttlefish for it's support. -- SirNitram ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius Uptight Christians pray for God to save themselves. Upright Christians pray for God to save others in need. "And they say that a hero can save us, I'm not gonna stand here to wait..." -Hero ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doomriser" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:41:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: <3d73b0dc_1@news.cybersurf.net> -------- "Sir Nitram" wrote in message news:20020902130148.07118.00001368@mb-mv.aol.com... > > If he had been able to succeed in proving these three arguments, he would have > brought Wars down to the ground with a crash. It's just a damned pity he can't > prove them. > > The above was created by the help of an interview with a local cuttlefish, > whose resemblence to Dark Star is uncanny, both in appearance, intelligence, > and the tendency to throw up alot of ink and hide behind the result. We thank > the anonymous cuttlefish for it's support. > -- Don't forget that an integral part of his plan was to inflate Trek firepower by taking old disproven arguments such as TDiC and also interpreting off-hand unproven statements as evidence of Trek ship capabilities. Even if he had managed to deflate Wars firepower, Trek firepower would still have to be significantly inflated, given the Trek-damning synthesis of canon info from Wong's canon database. -- -=Doomriser "We've been very careful. The continuity is airtight. Believe me. We know. We know." -Brannon Braga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:56:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "Sir Nitram" wrote > Being an account of Robert Scott Anderson's attempts to undermine the Pro-Wars > debators, and win the STvsSW debate. It probably deserves a place in the > (In)famous trolls and idiots page. [snip] That about sums it up. Don't forget, his latest jolly roger is this "new" Lucas quote interpretation of his. Which actually isn't new and reinforces our canon policy. But of course, "stalker victim" can't see that. http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hansen Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:49:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) opened Pandora's Box (cleverly disguised as <20020902130148.07118.00001368@mb-mv.aol.com>) on 02 Sep 2002 17:01:48 GMT... >3) Make the Death Star Superlaser into a chain reaction. This will prevent the >Pro-Wars side from using the 'firepower of half the starfleet' calcs, thus >effectively removing the last bastion of objective calculations. Unfortunately >for Baldstar, this too has no evidence to back it up, and he is forced to >resort to handwaving and claims of an unknown force, while Occam's Razor >viciously cuts his theory to ribbons. Yeah, I kept bringing that up in his thread on the Death Star. His counter was that the brute force theory "doesn't account for all the observed effects." You may draw your own conclusion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:48:14 GMT Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "Sir Nitram" wrote in message news:20020902130148.07118.00001368@mb-mv.aol.com... > Being an account of Robert Scott Anderson's attempts to undermine the Pro-Wars > debators, and win the STvsSW debate. It probably deserves a place in the > (In)famous trolls and idiots page. > > 1) Throw out Official sources. Official material in Star Wars is so vast and > numerous that it would take Robert months to even attempt to make bullshit to > disprove all the damning evidence, especially the new Episode II ICS. So, he > has chosen a rarely beaten path, one usually reserved for the only person > stupider than him in the NG's history: TJ's claims that only the movies count. > If he had actually proven this, he would have single-handedly devastated the > opposition. As it is, he's just retreading an ancient, overdone argument that > was disproven several years ago. Odd, then, that the Movie Purists of TheForce.Net's Jedi Council Forums are still going strong against the EU Completist factions. Odd, then, that there's an EU Defense Force at all. These are people who disagree on the rules of Canon . . . I'm a latecomer by comparison. Odd, also, this quote, which confirms my viewpoint on the nature of the Lucas Cinescape quote: "TVGuide: Yet novelists have written "Star Wars" sequels using the same characters and extending their stories. George Lucas: Oh, sure. They're done outside my little universe. "Star Wars" has had a lot of different lives that have been worked on by a lot of different people. It works without me." -TV Guide Interview with George Lucas, week of 11/19/01 > 2) Remove the ESB asteroid calc's. If he can prove the asteroid's weren't > vaporized, our intrepid Trekkie reasons, he can throw out the firepower > calculations from it, freeing him of the burden of light turbolasers that would > effortless blast through a Sovereign-class. I'm not interested in the effects of my arguments . . . you project the common Warsie viewpoint. I'm only interested in the factuality of the arguments themselves. > Sadly, he hasn't been able to do > this, as there's no proof anywhere they weren't vaporized Nor is there proof that they were. It is an unnecessary Warsie assumption. > (As for his odd > definition of vaporized, one need only read his page on the VOY episode > 'Rise'.) Ah, yes, assign canon facts that seem peculiar as my very own odd idea. Good Warsie. > 3) Make the Death Star Superlaser into a chain reaction. This will prevent the > Pro-Wars side from using the 'firepower of half the starfleet' calcs, thus > effectively removing the last bastion of objective calculations. Unfortunately > for Baldstar, this too has no evidence to back it up, and he is forced to > resort to handwaving and claims of an unknown force, while Occam's Razor > viciously cuts his theory to ribbons. DET was fine in its day, but no longer. The DET theory does not hold water in the light of the new SE Alderaan sequence. It does not explain the two rings, the destructive band, or the lack of interaction between superlaser and clouds. Further, the Death Star explosion rings remain similarly unexplainable, except under my theory. Finally, the differences between the starship and Alderaan shot effects are also unexplainable under DET, but not under my theory. None of the predictions one could make about a DET device are borne out in the canon, and there are numerous counterindications. In short, DET doesn't even make it to the arena for Occam's Razor to slice it, because it does not even begin to address the evidence. It is an old theory based on outdated evidence that is no longer valid. > If he had been able to succeed in proving these three arguments, he would have > brought Wars down to the ground with a crash. It's just a damned pity he can't > prove them. Interesting viewpoint . . . I never suspected I would bring "Wars down to the ground with a crash". Also, it's a pity that you can't disprove my arguments . . . so sad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:46:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > "TVGuide: Yet novelists have written "Star Wars" sequels using the same > characters and extending their stories. > George Lucas: Oh, sure. They're done outside my little universe. "Star Wars" > has had a lot of different lives that have been worked on by a lot of > different people. It works without me." > -TV Guide Interview with George Lucas, week of 11/19/01 Thanks, yet another quote which reinforces our canon/official stance which goes hand-in-hand with the Cinescape quote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:06:13 GMT Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:ung99k2i351m0f@corp.supernews.com... > Thanks, yet another quote which reinforces our canon/official stance which > goes hand-in-hand with the Cinescape quote. Funny, I missed the part where you guys voted to stay true to Lucas's position that the EU does not occur in the same universe as his SW Canon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:19:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > Thanks, yet another quote which reinforces our canon/official stance which > > goes hand-in-hand with the Cinescape quote. > Funny, I missed the part where you guys voted to stay true to Lucas's > position that the EU does not occur in the same universe as his SW Canon. Sorry. That's your idiotic misinterpretation. The Lucas quote from Cinescape, the TV guide quote, the quotes from everyone that has worked with Lucas on EU materials, and that includes Curtis Saxton, reinforces the correct canon/EU policy here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 03:04:00 GMT Subject: Re: [Idiots] The Best Laid Plans of mice and morons Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:unkgp78pdpi921@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > Thanks, yet another quote which reinforces our canon/official stance > which > > > goes hand-in-hand with the Cinescape quote. > > > Funny, I missed the part where you guys voted to stay true to Lucas's > > position that the EU does not occur in the same universe as his SW Canon. > > Sorry. That's your idiotic misinterpretation. The Lucas quote from > Cinescape, the TV guide quote, the quotes from everyone that has worked with > Lucas on EU materials, and that includes Curtis Saxton, reinforces the > correct canon/EU policy here. Well, I'm unfamiliar with the Saxton quote, but I know that the Cinescape and TV Guide quotes do indeed reinforce the correct canon policy. Why isn't it part of the rules here?