---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:13:25 GMT Subject: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- In the "Letters to the Editor" section I decided that I had waited long enough before posting this. Nothing that will surpise you, but perhaps it will give you a further insight as to his mindset. www.skayhan.net/ASVS_HN.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:42:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com> -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > In the "Letters to the Editor" section Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Iceberg the Dancing Black Mage Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:52:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:42:32 -0500, "DarkStar" wrote: > >"Phil Skayhan" wrote in message >news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... >> In the "Letters to the Editor" section > >Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. Would you be surprised to note that none of us have any respect for you, so it's not like we care? -- Iceberg, the Dancing Black Mage HEY, BUD! CONTRACT THIS! 1987: 85-77 RS, 4-1 ALCS, 4-3 WS (WS Champs) 1991: 95-67 RS, 4-1 ALCS, 4-3 WS (WS Champs) 2002: 94-67 RS, 3-2 ALDS, 1-4 ALCS (AL Central champs) HADOKEN! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WeeMadAndo" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:26:26 +1100 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. Ummm, I lost all respect for you when you began your whole "black knight" thing. And being included on ASVS_HN is an honour, in whatever for it may be. -- WeeMadAndo Blue sparks and white smoke, the two most expensive components of any electrical system. Once you've used them, it costs a fortune to replace them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DAC3052.79E1A01D@daltonator.net> -------- DarkStar wrote: > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net America: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pablo_sanchez2000@hotmail.com (Pablo Sanchez) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:02:00 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3dac8225.226684843@news.cis.dfn.de> -------- On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:18 -0400, Dalton wrote: >DarkStar wrote: >> >> "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message >> news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... >> > In the "Letters to the Editor" section >> >> Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > >Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? Phil: On top of a pile of money, with many many beautiful women. Dalton: Oh. ---- WWCD: What would Chuck do? Holder of the Gold C.S. Strowbridge Ego Award http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Ego/EgoAward.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:36:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DACECD4.12DA3D87@daltonator.net> -------- Pablo Sanchez wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:18 -0400, Dalton wrote: > > >DarkStar wrote: > >> > >> "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > >> news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > >> > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > >> > >> Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > >Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? > > Phil: On top of a pile of money, with many many beautiful women. > > Dalton: Oh. LOL DAMN forgot the source... -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net America: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:46:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DACEF25.2FE93CD6@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Dalton wrote: > > Pablo Sanchez wrote: > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:18 -0400, Dalton wrote: > > > > >DarkStar wrote: > > >> > > >> "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > >> news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > >> > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > >> > > >> Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > > >Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? > > > > Phil: On top of a pile of money, with many many beautiful women. > > > > Dalton: Oh. > > LOL > > DAMN forgot the source... Maybe becaus he didn't quote it right. It's Rainier Wolfcastle in the movie awards Simpsons. Graeme Dice -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. -- Albert Einstein ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:26:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DACF886.DA0ED6AE@daltonator.net> -------- Graeme Dice wrote: > > Dalton wrote: > > > > Pablo Sanchez wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:18 -0400, Dalton wrote: > > > > > > >DarkStar wrote: > > > >> > > > >> "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > > >> news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > > >> > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > > >> > > > >> Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > > > > >Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? > > > > > > Phil: On top of a pile of money, with many many beautiful women. > > > > > > Dalton: Oh. > > > > LOL > > > > DAMN forgot the source... > > Maybe becaus he didn't quote it right. It's Rainier Wolfcastle in the > movie awards Simpsons. > Oooh, that's right. I think I also heard it on The Critic. -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net America: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:54:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote > DarkStar wrote: > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > Oh my, Phil, how will you ever sleep at night? I can't believe what a fucking moron this guy is. RSA, not Phil.... "I was quite the robot about arguments " --Robert Scott Anderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:26 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net What gave you the impression that letters sent there were private? My email address for private coorespondence is not hard to find.....just look at the headers above. I did you a favor by NOT posting it till now. There is nothing in it about you that people have not conclude for themselves by reading your pitiful posts in the debate. Of course, if I had posted it earlier, perhaps we all could have been saved the torture of trying to read them and follow your "points". Because, you really don't have any points. You simply intend to be ,as you called it, an "argument robot": continuing to play word games and post nonsense hoping Mike will become exhasperated and leave the debate. I will, however, not post your last email sent yesterday even though you still sent it to the "editor". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob.wn5" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:31:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > What gave you the impression that letters sent there were private? > My email address for private coorespondence is not hard to find.....just > look at the headers above. > > I did you a favor by NOT posting it till now. There is nothing in it about > you that people have not conclude for themselves by reading your pitiful > posts in the debate. > Of course, if I had posted it earlier, perhaps we all could have been saved > the torture of trying to read them and follow your "points". Because, you > really don't have any points. You simply intend to be ,as you called it, an > "argument robot": continuing to play word games and post nonsense hoping > Mike will become exhasperated and leave the debate. > > I will, however, not post your last email sent yesterday even though you > still sent it to the "editor". oh go on. You know you want to. Plus he did send it to the Editors address. Rob Wilson > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:09:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net Dr Mr Editor: I am calling to make a serious statement about your published works but I want our conversation to be private despite the fact that I am using a bullhorn to tell you this outside your office... -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:47:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote > Dr Mr Editor: > > I am calling to make a serious statement about your published works but I > want our conversation to be private despite the fact that I am using a > bullhorn to tell you this outside your office... Does RSA REALLY need to give us something ELSE to laugh at this soon? I've just barely stopped wiping the tears from my eyes after reading Mike's latest destruction of every one of his points! -- "I was quite the robot about arguments " --Robert Scott Anderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: setesh@aol.com (Setesh) Date: 17 Oct 2002 08:34:36 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <20021017043436.17007.00000405@mb-fd.aol.com> -------- Wayne Poe penned: >"Cmdrwilkens" wrote > >> Dr Mr Editor: >> >> I am calling to make a serious statement about your published works but I >> want our conversation to be private despite the fact that I am using a >> bullhorn to tell you this outside your office... > >Does RSA REALLY need to give us something ELSE to laugh at this soon? I've >just barely stopped wiping the tears from my eyes after reading Mike's >latest destruction of every one of his points! > > > > >-- >"I was quite the robot about arguments " > >--Robert Scott Anderson > Darkstar has points? Skywarp:"Starscream, What's Megatron's plan this time? Starscream:"Who cares? You just Know it's going to be evil. And evil is always fun." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Burnett" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:42:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Setesh" wrote in message news:20021017043436.17007.00000405@mb-fd.aol.com... > Wayne Poe penned: > >"Cmdrwilkens" wrote > > > >> Dr Mr Editor: > >> > >> I am calling to make a serious statement about your published works but I > >> want our conversation to be private despite the fact that I am using a > >> bullhorn to tell you this outside your office... > > > >Does RSA REALLY need to give us something ELSE to laugh at this soon? I've > >just barely stopped wiping the tears from my eyes after reading Mike's > >latest destruction of every one of his points! > > > > > Darkstar has points? > Mostly on the top of his head but that's abotu it. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:45:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote > I will, however, not post your last email sent yesterday even though you > still sent it to the "editor". Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! -- "I was quite the robot about arguments " --Robert Scott Anderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drewcifer Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:53:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- ::log:: XMT IDC: "Wayne Poe" MSG TXT: > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote > >> I will, however, not post your last email sent yesterday even though you >> still sent it to the "editor". > > Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! > > -- > "I was quite the robot about arguments " > > --Robert Scott Anderson > Yes, I believe that the group has double-dog dared you! Drewcifer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:12:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post what is sent to that address without warning. You should either: 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published 2. Give your other e-mail address Or, you could do both of the above. > You simply intend to be ,as you called it, an "argument robot": > continuing to play word games and post nonsense hoping > Mike will become exhasperated and leave the debate. Utter bullshit. " I discovered, after awhile, that I was in the midst of creationist communist hippies (I shit you not). The war was on, and I was quite the robot about arguments." 1. Against creationist communist hippies, you think I played word games and posted nonsense and call that robotic? Hell no. Logic was both the most effective position against their own positions, and the least effective tool for persuading them. I didn't care. Logic is supreme, feelings be damned. *That* is robotic. Arguing with Warsies is rather similar. Logic defeats them, but they'll never acknowledge that fact. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:35:02 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:LdecnXCzLcEKXDKgXTWcqQ@News.GigaNews.Com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > what is sent to that address without warning. > > You should either: > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published I believe the fact that there has been a "Letters to the Editor" section since July, 11 2000 was sufficient warning. But in considereration for people like yourself, I placed a warning on the front page yesterday. > 2. Give your other e-mail address You snipped out my answer to this from my last reply so I'll repeat it for the benefit of the people in the cheap seat: LOOK AT THE HEADERS IN MY POSTS TO ASVS. > Or, you could do both of the above. > > > You simply intend to be ,as you called it, an "argument robot": > > continuing to play word games and post nonsense hoping > > Mike will become exhasperated and leave the debate. > > Utter bullshit. > > " I discovered, after awhile, that I was in the midst of creationist > communist hippies (I shit you not). The war was on, and I was quite the > robot about arguments." > > 1. Against creationist communist hippies, you think I played word games and > posted nonsense and call that robotic? Hell no. Logic was both the most > effective position against their own positions, and the least effective tool > for persuading them. I didn't care. Logic is supreme, feelings be > damned. *That* is robotic. A robot can only do what it is programmed to do. Module of DarkStar code: ------------------------------- PROGRAM Sl_Theory_Explanation ! IMPLICIT NONE CHARACHTER :: Query WRITE (6,30) 30 FORMAT (TR2, 'My theory is vastly superior to the convention DET theory.') READ (5,10) Query 10 FORMAT (A50) ! DO WHILE (.OR.(Query = = 'Please explain your Super Laser Effect Theory',& 'You have not explained your theory', 'How does your theory' & 'explain the rings')) WRITE (6,20) 20 FORMAT (TN1, 'I have fully explained my theory numerous times.') READ (5,10) Query END DO ! WRITE (6,40) 40 FORMAT (TN1, 'DET fails to incorporate all the evidence unlike my theory') WRITE (6,30) READ (5,10) Query STOP ! END PROGRAM Sl_Theory_Explanation --------------------------------------------- Show me how that is not a better example of your robotic approach to this debate. > There also > > Arguing with Warsies is rather similar. Logic defeats them, but they'll > never acknowledge that fact. Let's take a brief look at your logic: You say that, based on a strict interpretation of a Lucas quote, the movies and the EU are parallel, thus the EU is not part of the "real" Star Wars. Not just "non-canon" (as we already know), but useless in the debates like the ST tech manuals. Your definition of what Lucas meant by parallel: (story)lines that do not intersect. Fine, I'll accept that definition. So by your interpretation of what Lucas meant by parallel, we should not see the Outrider (TPM), a city-covered planet named Coruscant (TPM, AotC, or RotJ SE), or Aayla Secura (AotC). Show me the logic in that thought process. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:15:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <9KecnX2h8f0Ary2gXTWcog@comcast.com> -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:qtRr9.14497$dc.10442@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > > I believe the fact that there has been a "Letters to the Editor" section > since July, 11 2000 was sufficient warning. Oh, of course . . . since naturally anyone who'd read what was posted in the past year (such as me) saw your profound posting of an e-mail foreward and a few stupid things from your Warsie brethren. > But in considereration for people like yourself, I placed a warning on > the front page yesterday. You know, as I went to take a look, I was hoping it wouldn't be something demonstrating standard Warsie stupidity . . . alas, I was wrong. > > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > You snipped out my answer to this from my last reply Because it was silly > so I'll repeat it for the benefit of the people in the cheap seat: > LOOK AT THE HEADERS IN MY POSTS TO ASVS. Why the expectation that people should go skulking around ASVS looking for your rare posts, when there's an e-mail address sitting right there on the site? > Show me how that is not a better example of your robotic approach to this > debate. I don't have to . . . anyone who reads my posts knows better, or should. > You say that, based on a strict interpretation of a Lucas quote, . . . which happens to be the only one that makes sense, is logically consistent, et cetera . . . > the movies and the EU are . . . existing in . . . > parallel . . . universes . . . > , thus the EU is not part of the "real" Star Wars. > Not just "non-canon" (as we already know), but useless in the debates like > the ST tech manuals. > > Your definition of what Lucas meant by parallel: (story)lines that do not > intersect. Fine, I'll accept that definition. Good, then there should be no argument. > So by your interpretation of what Lucas meant by parallel, we should not see > the Outrider (TPM), a city-covered planet named Coruscant (TPM, AotC, or > RotJ SE), or Aayla Secura (AotC). 1. You don't seem to think that similar people or objects could exist simultaneously in both universes, independent of their similar selves. That's an illogical position to take regarding parallel universes. 2. There was a city-covered Imperial capital planet already in the canon, from one of the first trilogy novels. This is mentioned in Insider #32. Zahn tacked a name to it. You don't think names can exist simultaneously in parallel universes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Burnett" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:47:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:9KecnX2h8f0Ary2gXTWcog@comcast.com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:qtRr9.14497$dc.10442@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... > > > so I'll repeat it for the benefit of the people in the cheap seat: > > LOOK AT THE HEADERS IN MY POSTS TO ASVS. > > Why the expectation that people should go skulking around ASVS looking for > your rare posts, when there's an e-mail address sitting right there on the > site? For most people that MIGHT apply. For YOU the matter is different. You are in a position to be knowledgeable of his beign on ASVS and are capable of responding to him via that outlet. Thus the knowledge was readily available to you because of where you came from and your argument falls flat on that ground. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob.wn5" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:32:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Greg Burnett" wrote in message news:aoq30j$p1d1l$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:9KecnX2h8f0Ary2gXTWcog@comcast.com... > > > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > news:qtRr9.14497$dc.10442@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... > > > > > so I'll repeat it for the benefit of the people in the cheap seat: > > > LOOK AT THE HEADERS IN MY POSTS TO ASVS. > > > > Why the expectation that people should go skulking around ASVS looking for > > your rare posts, when there's an e-mail address sitting right there on the > > site? > > For most people that MIGHT apply. For YOU the matter is different. You are > in a position to be knowledgeable of his beign on ASVS and are capable of > responding to him via that outlet. Thus the knowledge was readily available > to you because of where you came from and your argument falls flat on that > ground. Apparently, like his one-time stalker, the use of Google is beyond him. Putting Phil Skayan into Google Groups search would have given him all of Phils posts and the E-mail address is prominently displayed. Rob Wilson > -- > Lcpl Burnett, G.R. > USMCR > BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG > > "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" > - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) > > "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." > -Anakin Vader > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 06:14:26 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <6L6s9.4064$Mu4.1016@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:9KecnX2h8f0Ary2gXTWcog@comcast.com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:qtRr9.14497$dc.10442@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... > > > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > > > > I believe the fact that there has been a "Letters to the Editor" section > > since July, 11 2000 was sufficient warning. > > Oh, of course . . . since naturally anyone who'd read what was posted in the > past year (such as me) saw your profound posting of an e-mail foreward and a > few stupid things from your Warsie brethren. And this addresses my point how? You read the page, saw that letters were posted, and yet somehow thought your email was exempt. As stupid as you might consider the other letters on the page, compared to what you just said above, they're ready for the Pulitzer. > > > But in considereration for people like yourself, I placed a warning on > > the front page yesterday. > > You know, as I went to take a look, I was hoping it wouldn't be something > demonstrating standard Warsie stupidity . . . alas, I was wrong. I figured that anything less than the literal equivalent of a truck would be too subtle for you. > > > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > > > You snipped out my answer to this from my last reply > > Because it was silly > > > so I'll repeat it for the benefit of the people in the cheap seat: > > LOOK AT THE HEADERS IN MY POSTS TO ASVS. > > Why the expectation that people should go skulking around ASVS looking for > your rare posts, when there's an e-mail address sitting right there on the > site? What? You never heard of Google? The better question is why the expectation of privacy when you're sending email to the editor of ASVS-HN? > > Show me how that is not a better example of your robotic approach to this > > debate. > > I don't have to . . . anyone who reads my posts knows better, or should. Find me one person in relation to the Wong debate who thinks that...besides yourself. Besides, the point of that piece of code you snipped stands. It's been over a month since the beginning of your debate and you have yet to fully define what your theory is...uh-oh...here comes Robby the Robot.... MY THEORY HAS BEEN EXPLAINED MANY TIMES WILL ROBINSON. > > You say that, based on a strict interpretation of a Lucas quote, > > . . . which happens to be the only one that makes sense, is logically > consistent, et cetera . . . We'll examine that in a moment. > > the movies and the EU are > . . . existing in . . . Breaking this sentence apart was..... > > parallel > > . . . universes . . . ....totally unnessasary since it still means the same thing. > > , thus the EU is not part of the "real" Star Wars. > > Not just "non-canon" (as we already know), but useless in the debates like > > the ST tech manuals. > > > > Your definition of what Lucas meant by parallel: (story)lines that do not > > intersect. Fine, I'll accept that definition. > > Good, then there should be no argument. Again I'm required to bludgeon you with explanations as to what should be obvious. I accepted your definition/interpretation of what Lucas meant by parallel for the purposes of proceeding to see if it held up to scrutiny. > > So by your interpretation of what Lucas meant by parallel, we should not > see > > the Outrider (TPM), a city-covered planet named Coruscant (TPM, AotC, or > > RotJ SE), or Aayla Secura (AotC). > > 1. You don't seem to think that similar people or objects could exist > simultaneously in both universes, independent of their similar selves. > That's an illogical position to take regarding parallel universes. You have yet to show that there are indeed two separate universes. And yet now you want to say that although they are parallel they are essentially the same: people, places, names, events.......what's the point of the distinction if there is none? Also, why is it called the expanded universe by Lucas and not the parallel universe? > 2. There was a city-covered Imperial capital planet already in the canon, > from one of the first trilogy novels. This is mentioned in Insider #32. > Zahn tacked a name to it. You don't think names can exist simultaneously > in parallel universes? Let's look at the full story --------------------------- From StarWars.com The earliest incarnation of Coruscant appeared in the rough draft scripts of Star Wars, when the Imperial capital world was known as Alderaan. Subsequent rewrites briefly changed its name to Granicus before dropping it from the A New Hope storyline altogether. The Imperial capital world was resurrected in the draft scripts for Return of the Jedi, this time as Had Abbadon. The script described a city-covered planet plagued by pollution and home to the Emperor's throne. Practical considerations of realizing this planet on screen, as well as the evolving storyline of Episode VI, resulted in the capital world again being abandoned. Author Timothy Zahn gave Coruscant its name in his 1991 novel, Heir to the Empire. When it came time to finally unveil the galactic capital on the big screen in the revamped ending of the Return of the Jedi Special Edition release, Lucas adopted the name Coruscant. . --------------------------- Why would Lucas adopt the name Zahn used if the EU did not matter? If it were a strict definition of parallel as you claim, the name would have either remained Granicus/Had Abbadon or Zahn would have used one of the prior existing names. There are far to many instances of the EU intruding *into* the canon movies to be outrightly discredited. Your interpretation of the Lucas parallel quote does not hold up in light of the evidence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:38:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:6L6s9.4064$Mu4.1016@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... Blah blah weak attempts to justify improper behavior blah blah. On to the meatier, on-topic portion of your reply, there's the one sentence it all boils down to: > You have yet to show that there are indeed two separate universes. What part of "outside my little universe", "this other world", and "parallel universe" didn't you understand? > Also, why is it called the expanded universe by Lucas and not the parallel > universe? WTF? > > > 2. There was a city-covered Imperial capital planet already in the canon, > > from one of the first trilogy novels. This is mentioned in Insider #32. > > Zahn tacked a name to it. You don't think names can exist simultaneously > > in parallel universes? > > Let's look at the full story > --------------------------- > From StarWars.com > The earliest incarnation of Coruscant appeared in the rough draft scripts of > Star Wars, when the Imperial capital world was known as Alderaan. Subsequent > rewrites briefly changed its name to Granicus before dropping it from the A > New Hope storyline altogether. > > The Imperial capital world was resurrected in the draft scripts for Return > of the Jedi, this time as Had Abbadon. The script described a city-covered > planet plagued by pollution and home to the Emperor's throne. Practical > considerations of realizing this planet on screen, as well as the evolving > storyline of Episode VI, resulted in the capital world again being > abandoned. > > Author Timothy Zahn gave Coruscant its name in his 1991 novel, Heir to the > Empire. When it came time to finally unveil the galactic capital on the big > screen in the revamped ending of the Return of the Jedi Special Edition > release, Lucas adopted the name Coruscant. . A longer version of what I said. > Why would Lucas adopt the name Zahn used if the EU did not matter? As your own quotes make clear, the place was in need of a name. Lucas found one he liked. This doesn't mean the EU "matters", and is suddenly part of the real story of Star Wars. It means Lucas borrowed something. He rules the canon . . . he can do what he wishes. Evidently, his wish was to borrow a planet name from a parallel universe. Whoopty-do. > If it were a strict definition of parallel as you claim, the name would > have either remained Granicus/Had Abbadon or Zahn would have > used one of the prior existing names. You're confusing yourself with meaningless backstage concepts. It's a parallel universe . . . the planet could be called the same thing, or it might not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:44:06 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:oe2cnWsmRIiBhCygXTWcpQ@comcast.com... > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:6L6s9.4064$Mu4.1016@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... > > Blah blah weak attempts to justify improper behavior blah blah. What no witty comback? I'll just have to prove my point futher about sending email to the Editor...... > On to the meatier, on-topic portion of your reply, there's the one sentence > it all boils down to: > > > You have yet to show that there are indeed two separate universes. > > What part of "outside my little universe", "this other world", and "parallel > universe" didn't you understand? I mean proof of your interpretation of Lucas quote in action; how does Lucas implement this philosophy? Does he ignore the EU or does it indeed intrude the canon films in the form of places, and characters, and ships. I noticed how you snipped out my questioning of why there is a distinction between these so-called "parallel universes". If, as you stated, the names are the same, the people are the same, and et cetera, how do you justify your interpretation. > > Also, why is it called the expanded universe by Lucas and not the parallel > > universe? > > WTF? http://www.starwars.com/eu/ Wouldn't you think that Lucas would have the name changed to parallel universe if that quote of yours was to be taken at face value only without examining all the evidence? > > > 2. There was a city-covered Imperial capital planet already in the > canon, > > > from one of the first trilogy novels. This is mentioned in Insider > #32. > > > Zahn tacked a name to it. You don't think names can exist > simultaneously > > > in parallel universes? > > > > Let's look at the full story > > --------------------------- > > From StarWars.com > > The earliest incarnation of Coruscant appeared in the rough draft scripts > of > > Star Wars, when the Imperial capital world was known as Alderaan. > Subsequent > > rewrites briefly changed its name to Granicus before dropping it from the > A > > New Hope storyline altogether. > > > > The Imperial capital world was resurrected in the draft scripts for Return > > of the Jedi, this time as Had Abbadon. The script described a city-covered > > planet plagued by pollution and home to the Emperor's throne. Practical > > considerations of realizing this planet on screen, as well as the evolving > > storyline of Episode VI, resulted in the capital world again being > > abandoned. > > > > Author Timothy Zahn gave Coruscant its name in his 1991 novel, Heir to the > > Empire. When it came time to finally unveil the galactic capital on the > big > > screen in the revamped ending of the Return of the Jedi Special Edition > > release, Lucas adopted the name Coruscant. . > >---------------------------------------- > A longer version of what I said. Hence why I said "full story", Captain Redundant. > > Why would Lucas adopt the name Zahn used if the EU did not matter? > > As your own quotes make clear, the place was in need of a name. Lucas found > one he liked. This doesn't mean the EU "matters", and is suddenly part of > the real story of Star Wars. It means Lucas borrowed something. It was in need of a name? Amazing how you can read that and surmise that the planet did not have a name dating as far back as A New Hope scripts drafts. Unfortunately for your stance, its true name was created in the EU and *then* brought into the films. > He rules the canon . . . he can do what he wishes. Evidently, his wish was > to borrow a planet name from a parallel universe. Whoopty-do. Why would he borrow something from a completely different universe when he already had a different name for the planet? > > If it were a strict definition of parallel as you claim, the name would > > have either remained Granicus/Had Abbadon or Zahn would have > > used one of the prior existing names. > > You're confusing yourself with meaningless backstage concepts. It's a > parallel universe . . . the planet could be called the same thing, or it > might not. If you were correct about the Lucas quote, Coruscant would not have that name. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drewcifer Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- ::log:: XMT IDC: "DarkStar" MSG TXT: > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... >> >> "DarkStar" wrote in message >> news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... >>> >>> "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message >> >>> news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... >>>> In the "Letters to the Editor" section >>> >>> Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. >>> >>> You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. >> >> The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > what is sent to that address without warning. > > You should either: > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > Or, you could do both of the above. > hmm, imagine writing to "THE EDITOR" and having your correspondence published. Never happens when I write to "THE EDITOR" of my local newspaper... Surely you can't be that lacking in common sense! Drewcifer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob.wn5" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:58:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:LdecnXCzLcEKXDKgXTWcqQ@News.GigaNews.Com... > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:_aGdndZlA66hYzagXTWcqg@News.GigaNews.Com... > > > > > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > > > > news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > > > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > > > > > Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. > > > > > > You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. > > > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > what is sent to that address without warning. The only place on the entire site where that E-mail address can be found is on the Letters to the Editor page, a cursory glance at which would show that any letters sent to it are posted on that page. Don't blame any repurcussions for your inability to think straight and lack of intellect on others. > > You should either: > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > Or, you could do both of the above. Or you could attempt to exercise some intellect when sending an E-mail to an Address clearly marked Editor, obtained from a link called E-mail the Editor from a page called Letters to the Editor in which letter sent to the editor are subject to posting and editorialising. Which part of that gave your meager intellect a problem on connecting the dots? > > > You simply intend to be ,as you called it, an "argument robot": > > continuing to play word games and post nonsense hoping > > Mike will become exhasperated and leave the debate. > > Utter bullshit. > > " I discovered, after awhile, that I was in the midst of creationist > communist hippies (I shit you not). The war was on, and I was quite the > robot about arguments." > > 1. Against creationist communist hippies, you think I played word games and > posted nonsense and call that robotic? Hell no. Logic was both the most > effective position against their own positions, and the least effective tool > for persuading them. I didn't care. Logic is supreme, feelings be > damned. *That* is robotic. > > Arguing with Warsies is rather similar. Logic defeats them, but they'll > never acknowledge that fact. You're a moron, it's tht simple. Phil claims to show your posting in a robotic style, you state this is bullshit and then in the next paragraph give *your* definition of robotic and in the paragraph after that use that definition to describe how you've been arguing.... which is exactly what Phil said. Or were you correcting Phils terminology as to how your debating should be described, as utter Bullshit? Rob Wilson > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:33:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB045EA.598D02BD@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > what is sent to that address without warning. > > You should either: > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > Or, you could do both of the above. Why should he do either? Email is not a private medium, and never has been. Graeme Dice -- "Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:54:05 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB04AE0.4000806@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... >>>>In the "Letters to the Editor" section >>> >>>Well, well . . . there went my respect for you. >>> >>>You have mail . . . just as private now as it was before. >> >>The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > what is sent to that address without warning. > > You should either: > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published Letters to the editor are always publishable. > 2. Give your other e-mail address It's at the top of your fucking message! ""Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net..." phil@skayhan.net! It's right fucking there. Of course, this is probably another case of, 'AdmiralKanos is really Mike Wong! He's trying to fool you!' C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:58:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote > DarkStar wrote: > > "Phil Skayhan" > >>The email address you were cooresponding to was mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You post > > what is sent to that address without warning. > > > > You should either: > > > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > > Letters to the editor are always publishable. > > > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > It's at the top of your fucking message! > > ""Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net..." > > phil@skayhan.net! It's right fucking there. > > Of course, this is probably another case of, 'AdmiralKanos is really > Mike Wong! He's trying to fool you!' Isn't this the same hypocrite who published Lord Edam's e-mail to him regarding Trek canon debates right here on ASVS? -- "I was quite the robot about arguments " --Robert Scott Anderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:24:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB124E1.663C7FDF@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- Wayne Poe wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote > > > DarkStar wrote: > > > "Phil Skayhan" > > > >>The email address you were cooresponding to was > mailto:editor@skayhan.net > > > > That was the lone e-mail address easily locatable on your site. You > post > > > what is sent to that address without warning. > > > > > > You should either: > > > > > > 1. Place a warning that all e-mails may be published > > > > Letters to the editor are always publishable. > > > > > 2. Give your other e-mail address > > > > It's at the top of your fucking message! > > > > ""Phil Skayhan" wrote in message > > news:KQar9.6093$7b.1932@nwrddc03.gnilink.net..." > > > > phil@skayhan.net! It's right fucking there. > > > > Of course, this is probably another case of, 'AdmiralKanos is really > > Mike Wong! He's trying to fool you!' > > Isn't this the same hypocrite who published Lord Edam's e-mail to him > regarding Trek canon debates right here on ASVS? Yes, I believe it is. Graeme Dice -- "Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:33:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:ur1t4l4ifm700c@corp.supernews.com... > Isn't this the same hypocrite who published Lord Edam's e-mail to him > regarding Trek canon debates right here on ASVS? Only you would think it hypocrisy, you nitwit. Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not relating to the group. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:29:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > Isn't this the same hypocrite who published Lord Edam's e-mail to him > > regarding Trek canon debates right here on ASVS? > Only you would think it hypocrisy, you nitwit. Uh, no, nearly everyone here thought it was then, that hasn't changed now. > Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not relating to the group. Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a "letter to the editor" of his website. -- The website doesn't own the franchise. What did people do before there was a website? Gosh. Was there a canon policy or did the writers throw darts to determine which facts they'd stick to? Oh, wait, that didn't come until your beloved Voyager. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:41:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:ur4j9vmc0vkc24@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > > Isn't this the same hypocrite who published Lord Edam's e-mail to him > > > regarding Trek canon debates right here on ASVS? > > > Only you would think it hypocrisy, you nitwit. > > Uh, no, nearly everyone here thought it was then, that hasn't changed now. > > > Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not > relating to the group. > > Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a "letter > to the editor" of his website. That's not what he posted, moron. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:58:57 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB26275.3010209@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "Wayne Poe" wrote: >>>Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not >>>relating to the group. >> >>Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a "letter >>to the editor" of his website. > > That's not what he posted, moron. Yes it is. You sent a letter to the editor. That might not be want you wanted to do, but it's what you did. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:53:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB26275.3010209@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "Wayne Poe" wrote: > > >>>Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not > >>>relating to the group. > >> > >>Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a "letter > >>to the editor" of his website. > > > > That's not what he posted, moron. > > Yes it is. You sent a letter to the editor. No, I sent Phil a solicited response. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:30:31 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB439FC.8050503@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>DarkStar wrote: >>>"Wayne Poe" wrote: >>>>>Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not >>>>>relating to the group. >>>> >>>>Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a >>>>"letter to the editor" of his website. >>> >>>That's not what he posted, moron. >> >>Yes it is. You sent a letter to the editor. > > No, I sent Phil a solicited response. You can snip it, I can repost it. ---===--- You sent a letter to the editor. That might not be want you wanted to do, but it's what you did. ---===--- C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:46:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <9H6dnSBvr5q7NSugXTWcpA@comcast.com> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB439FC.8050503@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > >>DarkStar wrote: > >>>"Wayne Poe" wrote: > > >>>>>Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not > >>>>>relating to the group. > >>>> > >>>>Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a > >>>>"letter to the editor" of his website. > >>> > >>>That's not what he posted, moron. > >> > >>Yes it is. You sent a letter to the editor. > > > > No, I sent Phil a solicited response. > > You can snip it, I can repost it. Good for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:35:25 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB6DD6C.3060703@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>>No, I sent Phil a solicited response. >> >>You can snip it, I can repost it. > > Ok, you got me. I admit I made a mistake not looking at who I sent a private > e-mail to. I should have been more careful and I really should not have > blamed others for my mistake. No problem. It happens to the best of us. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB6DD6C.3060703@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > >>>No, I sent Phil a solicited response. > >> > >>You can snip it, I can repost it. > > > > Ok, you got me. I admit I made a mistake not looking at who I sent a private > > e-mail to. I should have been more careful and I really should not have > > blamed others for my mistake. > > No problem. It happens to the best of us. Ah, the Warsie mantra in action . . . "why tell the truth, when a lie will do?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:04:11 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB827A6.8020207@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>>>>No, I sent Phil a solicited response. >>>> >>>>You can snip it, I can repost it. >>> >>>Ok, you got me. I admit I made a mistake not looking at who I sent a >>>private e-mail to. I should have been more careful and I really should not have >>>blamed others for my mistake. >> >>No problem. It happens to the best of us. > > Ah, the Warsie mantra in action . . . "why tell the truth, when a lie will > do?" Hey, I'm the one telling the truth. You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an on-line newspaper. Maybe you didn't realize that's what you were doing, but that's what you did. And do you know how we know you did that? Cause the person who created the site, writes the articles and acts as editor told us. And we can go to his site and confirm his statements. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:00:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB827A6.8020207@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > >>>>>No, I sent Phil a solicited response. > >>>> > >>>>You can snip it, I can repost it. > >>> > >>>Ok, you got me. I admit I made a mistake not looking at who I sent a > >>>private e-mail to. I should have been more careful and I really should not have > >>>blamed others for my mistake. > >> > >>No problem. It happens to the best of us. > > > > Ah, the Warsie mantra in action . . . "why tell the truth, when a lie will > > do?" > > Hey, I'm the one telling the truth. That would be a positive change. > You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an > on-line newspaper. What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:06:51 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB84467.7000202@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an >>on-line newspaper. > > What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it to the wrong address. All events that happened as a result were based on that initial mistake. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Burnett" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:48:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB84467.7000202@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > >>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an > >>on-line newspaper. > > > > What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? > > What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it > to the wrong address. All events that happened as a result were based on > that initial mistake. > This increasingly remidns me of the time he accussed me of lying by not quoting the entire damn paragraph and he ended up ceating a big theory on the assumption that the Empire only occupied a small portion of the galaxy. he jsut won't admit that he made an error in judgement even when its so obvious that most people wouldn't really even hold it against him. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:02:00 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB85F65.9030003@shaw.ca> -------- Greg Burnett wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>DarkStar wrote: >>>What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? >> >>What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it >>to the wrong address. All events that happened as a result were based on >>that initial mistake. > > This increasingly remidns me of the time he accussed me of lying by not > quoting the entire damn paragraph and he ended up ceating a big theory on > the assumption that the Empire only occupied a small portion of the galaxy. > he jsut won't admit that he made an error in judgement even when its so > obvious that most people wouldn't really even hold it against him. 'It's not the crime that gets you, it's the cover-up.' Political Proverb C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB84467.7000202@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > >>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an > >>on-line newspaper. > > > > What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? > > What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it > to the wrong address. No, I sent my original statement to the proper address. If he wanted to ask questions for publication, he should've said so. Otherwise, he should've used his private address. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:42:41 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DB99048.5000809@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>>>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an >>>>on-line newspaper. >>> >>>What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? >> >>What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it >>to the wrong address. > > No, I sent my original statement to the proper address. If he wanted to > ask questions for publication, he should've said so. Otherwise, he > should've used his private address. Did you or did you not send what he published to Editor@skayhan.net? That's all that matters. Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish that letter. Unlike regular e-mail where the recipient has the legal right, but not permission, to publish it. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:30:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <-pOdndO_2s6OKCegXTWcrg@comcast.com> -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3DB99048.5000809@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > >>>>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an > >>>>on-line newspaper. > >>> > >>>What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? > >> > >>What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it > >>to the wrong address. > > > > No, I sent my original statement to the proper address. If he wanted to > > ask questions for publication, he should've said so. Otherwise, he > > should've used his private address. > > Did you or did you not send what he published to Editor@skayhan.net? > That's all that matters. If your country secretly creates a law which allows it to wantonly murder any citizen, but they don't have to tell anyone or give that person warning, and they come knocking on your door . . . is it okay, because by living in the country you've given tacit consent to its laws? What about if they invited you to come live there after you once visited? > Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish that letter. Around here, they *tell you in advance*. Informed consent . . . not implied or tacit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:19:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DBAEABB.C5272D23@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > news:3DB99048.5000809@shaw.ca... > > Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish > that letter. > > Around here, they *tell you in advance*. Informed consent . . . not implied > or tacit. I guess they are being nice to you then, because they don't have to do so. Graeme Dice -- The sun never set on the British Empire because the British Empire is in the East and the sun sets in the West. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:20:11 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DBB22E2.9090905@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>Did you or did you not send what he published to Editor@skayhan.net? >>That's all that matters. > > If your country secretly creates a law "Send a Letter to the Editor" Yeah, that's really secret. Fucker. >>Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish >>that letter. > > Around here, they *tell you in advance*. Informed consent . . . not implied > or tacit. Around here? You're in the States. Canada and the US have the same laws when it comes to this shit. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Iceberg the Dancing Black Mage Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:25:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:20:11 GMT, "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >DarkStar wrote: >> "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > >>>Did you or did you not send what he published to Editor@skayhan.net? >>>That's all that matters. >> >> If your country secretly creates a law > > > >"Send a Letter to the Editor" > >Yeah, that's really secret. Fucker. > >>>Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish >>>that letter. >> >> Around here, they *tell you in advance*. Informed consent . . . not implied >> or tacit. > >Around here? You're in the States. Canada and the US have the same laws >when it comes to this shit. What he means by "Around here" is "In Bunghole, MS, where the average IQ is 75, so they have to spell everything out explicitly so people don't kill themselves on a regular basis." -- Iceberg, the Dancing Black Mage With only a single word/The future is decided Our beat is/A shining diamond Into the true sky into the true sky/Our life shining into the sky - "Try Again," Macross 7 maberger IX V IX 0 at webmail dot winona dot edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:10:10 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DBEEAFC.4040604@shaw.ca> -------- Iceberg the Dancing Black Mage wrote: > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: >>DarkStar wrote: >>>>Sending a letter to the editor is giving implicit permission to publish >>>>that letter. >>> >>>Around here, they *tell you in advance*. Informed consent . . . not implied >>>or tacit. >> >>Around here? You're in the States. Canada and the US have the same laws >>when it comes to this shit. > > What he means by "Around here" is "In Bunghole, MS, where the average > IQ is 75, so they have to spell everything out explicitly so people > don't kill themselves on a regular basis." Oh, that makes sense. "Around here." Like I'm living in the former Soviet Union. C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Burnett" Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:42:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:F7mdnaJcNYR88iSgXTWcoA@comcast.com... > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > news:3DB84467.7000202@shaw.ca... > > DarkStar wrote: > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote: > > > > >>You used the e-mail address on the "Letters to the Editor" page of an > > >>on-line newspaper. > > > > > > What part of "solicited response" didn't you understand? > > > > What part of "Letters to the Editor" didn't you understand. You sent it > > to the wrong address. > > No, I sent my original statement to the proper address. If he wanted to > ask questions for publication, he should've said so. Otherwise, he > should've used his private address. > The e-mail address is to the editor, that means it is a letter to a publishing department and you have no right to complain about its publicaiton. Furthermore when two persons are party to a conversation unless there is some contractual term of silence each is perfectly free to publish the documents exchanged. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:03:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not > > relating to the group. > > Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a "letter > > to the editor" of his website. > That's not what he posted, moron. That's exactly what he posted, you clueless floater. You wrote an e-mail to the "letters to the editor" address. Even someone as delusional as you should be able to connect the dots on this one. -- "There's nothing more boring than a stupid hero or stupid villain who you could just run rings around because they're so stupid. It's not very realistic, and it's just not interesting for me." --Timothy Zahn, February 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:55:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:ur4opvsnnvc5fc@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote > > > > > Unsolicited e-mail relating to the group /= a solicited response not > > > relating to the group. > > > > Fine. Then you have nothing to bitch at Phil for, since you sent a > "letter > > > to the editor" of his website. > > > That's not what he posted, moron. > > That's exactly what he posted, you clueless floater. You wrote an e-mail to > the "letters to the editor" address. > > Even someone as delusional as you should be able to connect the dots on this > one. > He must think that we are just jealous because the voices only talk to him. I figure he's a family dog away from a VICAP file. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:08:56 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <3DAC5A0A.6050304@shaw.ca> -------- Phil Skayhan wrote: > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > I decided that I had waited long enough before posting this. > > Nothing that will surpise you, but perhaps it will give you a further > insight as to his mindset. > > www.skayhan.net/ASVS_HN.htm He is so deluded. It's amazing. BTW, your C.S.Strowbridge Ego Page deserves at least a silver level C.S.Strowbridge Ego Appreciation Award. You can pick it up here: http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Ego/EgoAward.html C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:01:06 GMT Subject: Re: [ASVS-HN] A brief conversation with RSA Message-ID: <65nr9.647$cX1.28457@read2.inet.fi> -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:pJLq9.18254$nb.17992@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > In the "Letters to the Editor" section > > I decided that I had waited long enough before posting this. > > Nothing that will surpise you, but perhaps it will give you a further > insight as to his mindset. > > www.skayhan.net/ASVS_HN.htm > > > What a fucking idiot: "Or, take Sean Robertson of http://www.b5tech.com/ , who participated in SD.Net's forums a bit, and actually PMed me expressing his less-than-stellar opinion of the behavior of Wong and Poe in relation to what he referred to as "some very cogent arguments" from me, or words to that effect." Wee, wait until sean sees that