---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <9jlcc7$o2u94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- (From DMZ in the "[Tech] Shield Recharge" thread, but I wanted it in a more appropriate thread) >My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: > >"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding neutronium, >lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix >acceleration", according to the SWE." It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed of molecules. Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things that have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) is rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the protons and electrons formerly present having been crushed into neutrons. In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:58:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <20010725.075800.1142293334.1629@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <9jlcc7$o2u94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > (From DMZ in the "[Tech] Shield Recharge" thread, but I wanted it in a > more appropriate thread) > >>My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: >> >>"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding > neutronium, >>lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix >>acceleration", according to the SWE." > > It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed of > molecules. > > Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things that > have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) is > rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the protons and > electrons formerly present having been crushed into neutrons. > > In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they > added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. > > The quote only really says that zersium is a molecule, it doesn't technically say that about neutronium. -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: usmguy@yahoo.com (Guardian 2000) Date: 25 Jul 2001 10:30:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <3fd604ef.0107250930.7a6f873e@posting.google.com> -------- "Transcend" wrote in message news:<20010725.075800.1142293334.1629@localhost.localdomain>... > In article <9jlcc7$o2u94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > wrote: > > > (From DMZ in the "[Tech] Shield Recharge" thread, but I wanted it in a > > more appropriate thread) > > > >>My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: > >> > >>"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding > neutronium, > >>lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix > >>acceleration", according to the SWE." > > > > It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed of > > molecules. > > > > Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things that > > have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) is > > rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the protons and > > electrons formerly present having been crushed into neutrons. > > > > In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they > > added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. > > > > > > The quote only really says that zersium is a molecule, it doesn't > technically say that about neutronium. > No, because a rephrase with the same form would be "truck, motorcyle, and automobile parts." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:43:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <20010725.154326.911619345.2038@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <3fd604ef.0107250930.7a6f873e@posting.google.com>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > "Transcend" wrote in message > news:<20010725.075800.1142293334.1629@localhost.localdomain>... >> In article <9jlcc7$o2u94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" >> wrote: >> >> > (From DMZ in the "[Tech] Shield Recharge" thread, but I wanted it in >> > a more appropriate thread) >> > >> >>My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: >> >> >> >>"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding >> neutronium, >> >>lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix >> >>acceleration", according to the SWE." >> > >> > It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed >> > of molecules. >> > >> > Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things >> > that have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) >> > is rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the >> > protons and electrons formerly present having been crushed into >> > neutrons. >> > >> > In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they >> > added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. >> > >> > >> > >> The quote only really says that zersium is a molecule, it doesn't >> technically say that about neutronium. >> >> > No, because a rephrase with the same form would be "truck, motorcyle, > and automobile parts." Or how about "flour, eggs, and water ice." While I doubt anyone would say it or write it like that, you certainly can. It's technically correct in any case. And it would not imply that the flour or eggs were a form of ice... -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:05:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <9jnmfu$e3dh$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Transcend wrote in message <20010725.154326.911619345.2038@localhost.localdomain>... >>> >>"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding >>> neutronium, >>> >>lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix >>> >>acceleration", according to the SWE." >>> > >>> > It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed >>> > of molecules. >>> > >>> > Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things >>> > that have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) >>> > is rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the >>> > protons and electrons formerly present having been crushed into >>> > neutrons. >>> > >>> > In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they >>> > added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The quote only really says that zersium is a molecule, it doesn't >>> technically say that about neutronium. >>> >>> >> No, because a rephrase with the same form would be "truck, motorcyle, >> and automobile parts." > >Or how about "flour, eggs, and water ice." While I doubt anyone would say >it or write it like that, you certainly can. It's technically correct in >any case. And it would not imply that the flour or eggs were a form of >ice... Good show, but that would not be accurate. The form of yours is "Stuff1, Stuff2, and Stuff3 (type of)", or perhaps "Stuff1, Stuff2, (adjective) Stuff3." The sentence in question uses "Material1, Material2, and Material3 (that which composes many materials)". It would be most helpful if one could determine whether lomite was a molecular substance, an element, or what. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:17:58 +0000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <20010725.191753.2055801588.2038@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <9jnmfu$e3dh$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" wrote: > > It would be most helpful if one could determine whether lomite was a > molecular substance, an element, or what. > That's the point, we don't know, therefore it cannot be used as evidence that SW neutronium is not neutronium. -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:14:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <9jq5sp$126vi$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Transcend wrote in message <20010725.191753.2055801588.2038@localhost.localdomain>... >In article <9jnmfu$e3dh$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > wrote: > > >> >> It would be most helpful if one could determine whether lomite was a >> molecular substance, an element, or what. >> > >That's the point, we don't know, therefore it cannot be used as evidence >that SW neutronium is not neutronium. However, the sentence structure and the word "lomite" itself indicate that it is a common molecular substance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kynes Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:00:05 GMT Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: -------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:43:32 +0000, "Transcend" wrote: >Or how about "flour, eggs, and water ice." While I doubt anyone would say >it or write it like that, you certainly can. It's technically correct in >any case. And it would not imply that the flour or eggs were a form of >ice... Try "bacon, eggs, and ice chips." Not only tasty but a disproof of Guardian's moronic argument. -- LK! [ kynes@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ] "But I've never seen *anything* that's going to even have the clearly designed and hoped-for effect of running me out of these groups or debates." -- TOWNMNBS, Six Days Before The Final Solution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guardian 2000" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:50:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <9jqrih$1597e$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de> -------- Kynes wrote in message ... >On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:43:32 +0000, "Transcend" wrote: > >>Or how about "flour, eggs, and water ice." While I doubt anyone would say >>it or write it like that, you certainly can. It's technically correct in >>any case. And it would not imply that the flour or eggs were a form of >>ice... > >Try "bacon, eggs, and ice chips." Not only tasty but a disproof of Guardian's >moronic argument. Try "bacon, potato, and ice chips" . . . works better, if this rather forced food analogy is to be the case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R Valencia" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:53:31 +1000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <3b5fda9c$1@news.iprimus.com.au> -------- "Transcend" wrote in message news:20010725.154326.911619345.2038@localhost.localdomain... > In article <3fd604ef.0107250930.7a6f873e@posting.google.com>, "Guardian > 2000" wrote: > > > "Transcend" wrote in message > > news:<20010725.075800.1142293334.1629@localhost.localdomain>... > >> In article <9jlcc7$o2u94$1@ID-82121.news.dfncis.de>, "Guardian 2000" > >> wrote: > >> > >> > (From DMZ in the "[Tech] Shield Recharge" thread, but I wanted it in > >> > a more appropriate thread) > >> > > >> >>My personal 2 related favourites from stardestroyer.net: > >> >> > >> >>"Furthermore, Imperial dura-armor is made by "compressing and binding > >> neutronium, > >> >>lomite, and zersium molecules together through the process of matrix > >> >>acceleration", according to the SWE." > >> > > >> > It would appear, according to this quote, that neutronium is composed > >> > of molecules. > >> > > >> > Also, the idea that neutronium could be combined with other things > >> > that have molecules (and therefore protons and electrons, presumably) > >> > is rather amusing, since neutron star material is, in part, the > >> > protons and electrons formerly present having been crushed into > >> > neutrons. > >> > > >> > In any real-physics sense, the above quote is simply saying that they > >> > added neutrons to the atoms present in lomite and zersium molecules. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The quote only really says that zersium is a molecule, it doesn't > >> technically say that about neutronium. > >> > >> > > No, because a rephrase with the same form would be "truck, motorcyle, > > and automobile parts." > > Or how about "flour, eggs, and water ice." While I doubt anyone would say > it or write it like that, you certainly can. It's technically correct in > any case. And it would not imply that the flour or eggs were a form of > ice... =================================================== Real neutrons particles also makes up normal elements... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Transcend" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:59:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <20010726.045931.163403746.2732@localhost.localdomain> -------- In article <3b5fda9c$1@news.iprimus.com.au>, "R Valencia" wrote: > =================================================== Real neutrons > particles also makes up normal elements... > > Thanks for the completely useless info that everyone knows! :-) -- When man took to his bed the Computer, there was great rejoicing, and great fear too, for their children were almost like gods. The mainbrains bestrode the galaxy at will, and changed its very face. The Silicon God, The Solid State Entity, Al Squared, Enth Generation - their names are many. And there were the Carked and Symbionts, whose daughters were the Neurosingers, Warrior-Poets, the Neurologicians and the Pilots of the Order of Mystic Mathematicians. --Horthy Hosthoh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RValencia" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:48:14 +1000 Subject: Re: Yet more backgrounder for the neutronium debate Message-ID: <3b60ba60@news.iprimus.com.au> -------- "Transcend" wrote in message news:20010726.045931.163403746.2732@localhost.localdomain... > > Thanks for the completely useless info that everyone knows! > Just making sure...