---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dalton Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:20:11 -0400 Subject: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <3D323F6B.EC60296D@daltonator.net> -------- I've not been paying much attention to your "Canon vs official" arguments, and thus I'm unclear as to your reasoning. Why do you insist that Star Wars "official" literature does not count, even though Lucasfilm's canon policy has been clearly stated in several sources? And why do you want to try to take our books away? -- Rob "Roby" Dalton http://daltonator.net "It's tasteless, disgusting, and offensive. I love it." --Jeremy Piven, "PCU" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:36:54 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Dalton" wrote in message news:3D323F6B.EC60296D@daltonator.net... > I've not been paying much attention to your "Canon vs official" > arguments, and thus I'm unclear as to your reasoning. Why do you insist > that Star Wars "official" literature does not count, even though > Lucasfilm's canon policy has been clearly stated in several sources? And > why do you want to try to take our books away? I don't want to take your books away. Here's the deal... most people think SW canon is the movies, scripts, novelisations, and radio plays, and then there's the official stuff in varying degrees. They also think that if a piece of official is overridden by absolutely contradictory canon, that the official document is only wrong on that point. There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea (though it used to be a good guess), and there is no evidence for the 'rule' about "on that point" errors. All we really know is that there is Lucas' canon, and then there's the EU's internal continuity, and then there is the Infinities label, which is neither canon nor part of EU continuity. The most common argument against the idea is that elements of the EU have ended up in the canon, like the Outrider appearance. However, elements of the Infinities have ended up in the EU, so that hardly means that the entire group should be bumped up to canonicity as a result. The other common argument is that the existence of the Infinities label proves the EU has canonicity. But, this is stupid. There's no reason to assume some sort of "canonicity whiplash" bumps other groups up or down, and it is silly to assume that just because something has been declared as outside EU continuity, the EU continuity is canon. For example, if Lucas ended up making a third trilogy in 2020 using state-of-the-art virtual reality technology, and declared these to be the absolute canon with the former canon now being downgraded, this wouldn't make Infinities or the EU any less canon than it already is. Here's my final word on the topic from the last thread about it, with references. It represents the best union of canon policy information I have seen to date: In truth, it is best left up to the individual's point of view (Sansweet), but for a versus debate that isn't helpful. So, we must attempt to determine a set of hard rules based on what Lucas and his authorized agents say. The real story of Star Wars is the absolute Canon of the films (Cerasi, Sansweet). The remaining parts of Canon are the film scripts, film novelisations, and the 1981 radio plays (Insider #23), with a canonicity that drops off in degrees (Sansweet) based on how close they are to the movies in format and content (Cerasi). The further you get from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play (Cerasi). Lucas and LFL have allowed other writers to expand upon his films with original fiction novels(Dice's 1st Insider quote), games, and comic books (StarWars.com EU intro). LucasBooks handles the editorial Continuity for these. The Continuity is an internal consistency -- ensuring the books don't contradict each other -- that LucasBooks decided to strive to maintain (Dice's 2nd Insider quote). This is known as the Expanded Universe, and authors who write for it must know not only the Canon, but also the EU Continuity (Handley, Denning). This catalog of published works comprises a vast history with offshoots, tangents, and variants (Insider #23), though this history doesn't necessarily represent the true history of the Star Wars universe (Cerasi). It may serve as a window into the real story of Star Wars, and may contain nuggets of truth (Cerasi), but it cannot write the real story (Cerasi) nor is it clear whether those nuggets of truth come from the original fiction or simply the fiction's use of Canon. In any event, Lucas is the source of Star Wars, and isn't held to any of the EU stories (Sansweet, Community page). There is much confusion among Star Wars fans as to what is true of the Star Wars universe beyond the Canon (Cerasi and others). Part of this is due to conflicting statements about what is and isn't the real story of Star Wars (see starwars.com EU intro (suggesting that Canon + EU = 'entire tale'), Rostoni in Insider ('everything's canon' except Infinities), Sansweet in the Encyclopedia ('Quasi-Canon'), the Star Wars Card Game's Rulebook that says the cards are canon, etc.). Some use only the Cerasi/Insider Canon, some think it is all canon, and some, such as Mike Wong, think there are three levels, Canon, Quasi-Canon, and Official. Recently, Lucas cleared up the messy issue by explaining that the books, games, and comic books are part of a parallel universe, another world created separately from his own (Lucas in Cinescape). By design, the settings in time of the parallel universe do not intrude on his movie time period, since LucasBooks disallows authors from playing with events and periods of time that Lucas intends to use. LucasBooks tries to use the events in the Canon universe in the parallel universe, but the fact that it is a parallel universe explains why Lucas isn't bound by it (as stated by Sansweet). In other words, events may happen similarly in parallel universes at the same time (for instance, the events of Episode IV are referenced in the Canon and the EU Continuity), but that does not mean that how the two universes ended up there is the same (for an example of such an idea, see the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror"... Kirk is captain in both universes, but the way he achieved the captaincy was far, far different). This also explains why Lucas does not allow the parallel universe to intrude on the time periods and events he wants to work with in his universe. If someone retold his tales, these events of another world might confuse Star Wars fans and violate the integrity of his work, and his vision for his universe. That is also why he works so closely with the authors who write the novelisations of his films (Cerasi). So, the parallel Expanded Universe has a vast history (Insider), but we now know that it is not the real story of Star Wars (as previously implied by Cerasi, et al.). Perhaps the offshoots, variants, and tangents (Insider) or any failures to maintain the internal Continuity (Dice 2nd Insider) are most easily explained away as additional parallels, but such a discussion is outside the scope of this document. This does not mean that the Expanded Universe didn't happen. It did happen, but it occurred in its own reality. If a fan prefers the parallel Expanded Universe event over a Canon event, they can do so, since it only means they are choosing one reality over another in the entire Saga of the Star Wars universes (starwars.com EU intro, Lucas in "Splinter"). However, the real story of Lucas' Star Wars universe is the Canon, and that must be kept in mind by the fan or debater. References: Cerasi, Chris. Quoted by Steve Sansweet at (http://www.starwars.com/community/a...jc20010817.html). Denning, Troy. Interview with TheForce.net. (http://theforce.net/jedicouncil/interview/denning.shtml). Handley, Rich. Post on rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc. Text available at(http://www.h4h.com/louis/sources.html) halfway down the page. Lucas, George. Interview in Cinescape, July 2002 edition. Text available, posted by 'watchdog' at (http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/s...25&pagenumber=6) three-quarters of the way down the page. Lucas, George, writing in "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" by Alan Dean Foster, 1994 republication. Rostoni, Sue. Interview in Star Wars Insider. Text available at (http://jceu.tripod.com/faq.html#4). Sansweet, Steve. The Star Wars Encylopedia. Foreward. Sansweet, Steve. "Star Wars: Community | Are we going to get more details about Boba Fett's past?" (referred to as "Sansweet, Community" in the text). (http://www.starwars.com/community/a...jc20000424.html). Star Wars Collectible Card Game Rulebook. Text available at (http://www.sfdebris.com/faq5.html). "Star Wars: Expanded Universe | Beyond the Films" (referred to as StarWars.com EU intro in the text). (http://www.starwars.com/eu/). Star Wars Insider quotes, posted by Graeme Dice. Text available at (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g...&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o e=UTF8&selm=3D162313.22ECE20F%40sk.sympatico.ca). Star Wars Insider #23, interview. Text available at http://www.theforce.net/swtc/continuity.html Wong, Mike. "Sources" - http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Misc/Sources.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:55:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > The most common argument against the idea is that elements of the EU have > ended up in the canon, like the Outrider appearance. However, elements of > the Infinities have ended up in the EU, so that hardly means that the entire > group should be bumped up to canonicity as a result. Which is again, your misinterpretation, and is not the "common argument" here. Nothing is "bumped up to canonicity " unless it appears in the movies, scripts, novelizations, or radio plays. > The other common argument is that the existence of the Infinities label > proves the EU has canonicity. Prove this is a "common argument" when this is nothing more than false padding to give weight to your inane argument. > Recently, Lucas cleared up the messy issue by explaining that the books, > games, and comic books are part of a parallel universe, another world > created separately from his own (Lucas in Cinescape). Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging what we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus this "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" universe, but can only follow and supplement. http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:58:43 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uj4seasjv0v951@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > The most common argument against the idea is that elements of the EU have > > ended up in the canon, like the Outrider appearance. However, elements > of > > the Infinities have ended up in the EU, so that hardly means that the > entire > > group should be bumped up to canonicity as a result. > > Which is again, your misinterpretation, and is not the "common argument" > here. Nothing is "bumped up to canonicity " unless it appears in the movies, > scripts, novelizations, or radio plays. Oops. "Bumped up _in_ canonicity", not "to". Thanks. > > The other common argument is that the existence of the Infinities label > > proves the EU has canonicity. > > Prove this is a "common argument" when this is nothing more than false > padding to give weight to your inane argument. The argument was made. Check the thread if you don't believe it. > > Recently, Lucas cleared up the messy issue by explaining that the books, > > games, and comic books are part of a parallel universe, another world > > created separately from his own (Lucas in Cinescape). > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging what we > already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus this > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" universe, > but can only follow and supplement. And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:35:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging what > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus this > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" universe, > > but can only follow and supplement. > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS UNIVERSE!! http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:15:08 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uj753jpj0gb5af@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" > > > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging > what > > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus this > > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" > universe, > > > but can only follow and supplement. > > > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. > > It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can > override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS UNIVERSE!! Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:52:10 +0300 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:wuRY8.107852$iB1.6338711@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > news:uj753jpj0gb5af@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "DarkStar" > > > > > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging > > what > > > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus > this > > > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" > > universe, > > > > but can only follow and supplement. > > > > > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. > > > > It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can > > override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS UNIVERSE!! > > Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? Now who is ignoring who? You flabbergasting idiot of little IQ, how many times have I posted the quote by George Lucas??? How many fucking times did you intend to ignore it? ================== After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story – however many films it took to tell – was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga. ================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:54:11 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message news:V1SY8.99$sn5.3982@read2.inet.fi... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:wuRY8.107852$iB1.6338711@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > news:uj753jpj0gb5af@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > "DarkStar" > > > > > > > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely acknowledging > > > what > > > > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus > > this > > > > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" > > > universe, > > > > > but can only follow and supplement. > > > > > > > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. > > > > > > It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can > > > override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS > UNIVERSE!! > > > > Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? > > Now who is ignoring who? > You flabbergasting idiot of little IQ, how many times have I posted the > quote by George Lucas??? > How many fucking times did you intend to ignore it? More recently, he said: From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a joke Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the form of licensed properties. "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:12:57 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:nsWY8.131764$Bt1.6973311@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message > news:V1SY8.99$sn5.3982@read2.inet.fi... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:wuRY8.107852$iB1.6338711@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > news:uj753jpj0gb5af@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" > > > > > > > > > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely > acknowledging > > > > what > > > > > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. Thus > > > this > > > > > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the "actual" > > > > universe, > > > > > > but can only follow and supplement. > > > > > > > > > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. > > > > > > > > It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can > > > > override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS > > UNIVERSE!! > > > > > > Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? > > > > Now who is ignoring who? > > You flabbergasting idiot of little IQ, how many times have I posted the > > quote by George Lucas??? > > How many fucking times did you intend to ignore it? > > More recently, he said: > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a joke > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the > form of licensed properties. > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is the > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel > universe." And this was addressed over at SB already, you didn't have any luck then either. Nor do I see how it overrides Lucas previous statement on how he feels that the EU is SW, what he says here is only that Lucas doesn't interfere with the EU and he keeps it separate from the movies, wich kind of a lie since he's incorporated shitloads of EU material in the movies already. As usual it's just you over-interprepting one quote and throwing out all the other evidence. Oh well it's been quite pathetic, *plonk* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:50:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message news:dCXY8.302$sn5.12700@read2.inet.fi... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:nsWY8.131764$Bt1.6973311@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message > > news:V1SY8.99$sn5.3982@read2.inet.fi... > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:wuRY8.107852$iB1.6338711@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > news:uj753jpj0gb5af@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another interpretation butured by you. He's merely > > acknowledging > > > > > what > > > > > > > we already know- that any EU material can't contradict canon. > Thus > > > > this > > > > > > > "parallel universe" can't dictate what transpires in the > "actual" > > > > > universe, > > > > > > > but can only follow and supplement. > > > > > > > > > > > And be overridden at any time, because it isn't in his universe. > > > > > > > > > > It IS his universe, all of it. He owns it and approves it. Canon can > > > > > override anything Lucas wants it to. Know why? BECAUSE ITS HIS > > > UNIVERSE!! > > > > > > > > Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? > > > > > > Now who is ignoring who? > > > You flabbergasting idiot of little IQ, how many times have I posted the > > > quote by George Lucas??? > > > How many fucking times did you intend to ignore it? > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a > joke > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the > > form of licensed properties. > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is > the > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] > they > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel > > universe." > > And this was addressed over at SB already, you didn't have any luck then > either. > Nor do I see how it overrides Lucas previous statement on how he feels that > the EU is SW, what he says here is only that Lucas doesn't interfere with > the EU and he keeps it separate from the movies, wich kind of a lie since > he's incorporated shitloads of EU material in the movies already. > > As usual it's just you over-interprepting one quote and throwing out all the > other evidence. > > Oh well it's been quite pathetic, *plonk* > > And since Kevin Smith has been invited to Lucas Ranch a couple of times, we can expect Jay and Silent Bob, to be selling spice on the nearest Jawa ran Kwikie Cantina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:18:38 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" wrote in message news:PVZY8.48$OI.12050546@news.inreach.com... > And since Kevin Smith has been invited to Lucas Ranch a couple of times, we can > expect Jay and Silent Bob, to be selling spice on the nearest Jawa ran Kwikie > Cantina Oh, that would be funny! I wish I had photoshop up and running, I know exactly what shot to use from each movie. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:20:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <6V8Z8.65$ss2.19042442@news.inreach.com> -------- "Phil Skayhan" wrote in message news:yc%Y8.32934$IW4.9539@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > > "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" wrote in message > news:PVZY8.48$OI.12050546@news.inreach.com... > > And since Kevin Smith has been invited to Lucas Ranch a couple of times, > we can > > expect Jay and Silent Bob, to be selling spice on the nearest Jawa ran > Kwikie > > Cantina > > Oh, that would be funny! I wish I had photoshop up and running, I know > exactly what shot to use from each movie. > > Wookie Snootchies Darth Olaf sing Berserker. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:59:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > More recently, he said: > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a joke > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the > form of licensed properties. > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is the > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel > universe." And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements everything we've always said about the EU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:15:46 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > More recently, he said: > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a > joke > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the > > form of licensed properties. > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is > the > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] > they > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel > > universe." > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > everything we've always said about the EU. No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has nothing to do with the canon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a > > joke > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > fact), > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in > the > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is > > the > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say > is > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic > books. > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] > > they > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > parallel > > > universe." > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > nothing to do with the canon. > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and above that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:49:12 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a > > > joke > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > > fact), > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in > > the > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which > is > > > the > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I > say > > is > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic > > books. > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, > [but] > > > they > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > > parallel > > > > universe." > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and above > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in between those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm what you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not understand why this concept eludes you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:52:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists > (a > > > > joke > > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > > > fact), > > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be > in > > > the > > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, > which > > is > > > > the > > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I > > say > > > is > > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic > > > books. > > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, > > [but] > > > > they > > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > > > parallel > > > > > universe." > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it > cements > > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive > > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and > above > > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in between > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm what > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > understand why this concept eludes you. > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. Moreso your theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A theory which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:46:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy > exists > > (a > > > > > joke > > > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > > > > fact), > > > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will > be > > in > > > > the > > > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, > > which > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which > I > > > say > > > > is > > > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and > comic > > > > books. > > > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, > > > [but] > > > > > they > > > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > > > > parallel > > > > > > universe." > > > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it > > cements > > > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity > has > > > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > > > > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive > > > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and > > above > > > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > between > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm what > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. Moreso your > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A theory > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > -- > Lcpl Burnett, G.R. > USMCR > BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG > > "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" > - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) > > Unless your a religious fanatic going through the Library of Alexandria, in which case if it fits your point of view it can be destroyed or spared, if it conflicts with your point of view then it MUST be destroyed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:53:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" wrote in message news:zvtZ8.533$gd5.30421086@news.inreach.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy > > exists > > > (a > > > > > > joke > > > > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > > > > > fact), > > > > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will > > be > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which > > I > > > > say > > > > > is > > > > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and > > comic > > > > > books. > > > > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, > > > > [but] > > > > > > they > > > > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > universe." > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it > > > cements > > > > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > > > > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity > > has > > > > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive > > > > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and > > > above > > > > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. > > > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > > between > > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm what > > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. Moreso your > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A theory > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > > > > > > > Unless your a religious fanatic going through the Library of Alexandria, in > which case if it fits your point of view it can be destroyed or spared, if it > conflicts with your point of view then it MUST be destroyed. > I completely deny that i was doing that last weekend with thre of my buddiesand a large can of lighter fluid....I mean I would never dream of denying the world the knowledge that Jesus actually experimented with the reefer before the whole "temptation" thing which was just the biggest weed dream ever. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:54:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah5s7l$q1i77$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" wrote in message > news:zvtZ8.533$gd5.30421086@news.inreach.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy > > > exists > > > > (a > > > > > > > joke > > > > > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it > as a > > > > > > fact), > > > > > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga > will > > > be > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my > world, > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, > which > > > I > > > > > say > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and > > > comic > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of > time, > > > > > [but] > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in > the > > > > > > parallel > > > > > > > > universe." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it > > > > cements > > > > > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU > continuity > > > has > > > > > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most > positive > > > > > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe > and > > > > above > > > > > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. > > > > > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > > > between > > > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm > what > > > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > > > > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. Moreso your > > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A > theory > > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless your a religious fanatic going through the Library of Alexandria, > in > > which case if it fits your point of view it can be destroyed or spared, if > it > > conflicts with your point of view then it MUST be destroyed. > > > > > I completely deny that i was doing that last weekend with thre of my > buddiesand a large can of lighter fluid....I mean I would never dream of > denying the world the knowledge that Jesus actually experimented with the > reefer before the whole "temptation" thing which was just the biggest weed > dream ever. > > > > -- > Lcpl Burnett, G.R. > USMCR > BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG > > "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" > - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) > > I loved last temptation of Christ, Martin Scorsese at his pretty damn good (Not say as good as Goodfellas, or Taxi Driver but much better by far then Casino, or Age of Innocence.) Nah I was referring to the idiocy of a certain troll, and his opinions being like the Christian and Moslem fanatics that destroyed the vast majority of the Library. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:04:52 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > news:uj9cqnq8avhtc7@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > More recently, he said: > > > > > > > > > > > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > > > > > > > > > > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy > exists > > (a > > > > > joke > > > > > > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a > > > > fact), > > > > > > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will > be > > in > > > > the > > > > > > form of licensed properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, > > which > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which > I > > > say > > > > is > > > > > > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and > comic > > > > books. > > > > > > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, > > > [but] > > > > > they > > > > > > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the > > > > parallel > > > > > > universe." > > > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it > > cements > > > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity > has > > > > nothing to do with the canon. > > > > > > > > > > Only in your mind, the part about "they do intrude" is the most positive > > > affirmation we've ever had that the EU is part of the SW universe and > > above > > > that it IS the SW universe except where the movies are concerned. > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > between > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm what > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. No, parallel means it is different. The fact that they do not overlap also means it is different. The fact that backstories do not agree means it is different. >Moreso your > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A theory > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:36:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:EEuZ8.250067$vq.13718781@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > > between > > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm > what > > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. > > No, parallel means it is different. The fact that they do not overlap also > means it is different. The fact that backstories do not agree means it is > different. You continue to ignore both the original Lucas quote and the "they do intrude" segment of your quote. > >Moreso your > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A theory > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're wrong. No this is in LOGIC. You are making a logical deduction (here called a theory) based upon evidence. A deduction (theory) which ignores evidence is inferior to a deduction (theory) which takes into account all the evidence. Our deduction (theory) accounts for this Lucas quote, the other Lucas quote, Sansweet's quote from the SW:Encyclopedia, etc. Your deduction(theory) requires us to ignore the second Lucas quote and the Sansweet SW:Encyclopedia quote. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:18:22 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <2ASZ8.165269$iB1.9049347@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah7g02$qt0dl$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:EEuZ8.250067$vq.13718781@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah5l43$qgne5$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:sDlZ8.245755$vq.13305075@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > > news:ah495n$q18da$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > > news:l_eZ8.188076$Im2.9430101@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that the parallel universe intrudes on the time periods in > > > between > > > > those he's set aside in his universe for his own use does not confirm > > what > > > > you say, it is the very thing that confirms what I say. I do not > > > > understand why this concept eludes you. > > > > > > > > > > Parrallell and overlapping means they are one and the same. > > > > No, parallel means it is different. The fact that they do not overlap > also > > means it is different. The fact that backstories do not agree means it is > > different. > > You continue to ignore both the original Lucas quote and the "they do > intrude" segment of your quote. I do not ignore the intrusion... I simply do not add pages of hidden meaning to it as you do. I take the quote for what it says. > > >Moreso your > > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A > theory > > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're wrong. > > No this is in LOGIC. You are making a logical deduction (here called a > theory) based upon evidence. A deduction (theory) which ignores evidence is > inferior to a deduction (theory) which takes into account all the evidence. When have I failed to take parts into account? I have taken all the statements and weighted them properly, with Lucas at the top of the food chain. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:15:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:2ASZ8.165269$iB1.9049347@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah7g02$qt0dl$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:EEuZ8.250067$vq.13718781@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > >Moreso your > > > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A > > theory > > > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > > > That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're > wrong. > > > > No this is in LOGIC. You are making a logical deduction (here called a > > theory) based upon evidence. A deduction (theory) which ignores evidence > is > > inferior to a deduction (theory) which takes into account all the > evidence. > > When have I failed to take parts into account? I have taken all the > statements and weighted them properly, with Lucas at the top of the food > chain. > You are ignoring his other quote. You are throwing it out in the name of policy revision while we incorporate it into our larger theory (along with this Lucas quote). Thus of the two canonicity quotes from Lucas we utilize 2 and you utilize 1 and ignroe/rescind the other. this means our theory has the weight of evidence behind it and superceeds your theory, the SW:E and other stuff is just icing on the cake. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:51:05 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah9e1r$r1cbg$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:2ASZ8.165269$iB1.9049347@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah7g02$qt0dl$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:EEuZ8.250067$vq.13718781@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > >Moreso your > > > > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A > > > theory > > > > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > > > > > That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're > > wrong. > > > > > > No this is in LOGIC. You are making a logical deduction (here called a > > > theory) based upon evidence. A deduction (theory) which ignores evidence > > is > > > inferior to a deduction (theory) which takes into account all the > > evidence. > > > > When have I failed to take parts into account? I have taken all the > > statements and weighted them properly, with Lucas at the top of the food > > chain. > > > > You are ignoring his other quote. No, not in the slightest, as I make clear in the other thread where we are discussing the topic. Let's continue it there, shall we? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:02:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:JLA_8.301586$vq.16538413@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah9e1r$r1cbg$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:2ASZ8.165269$iB1.9049347@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > news:ah7g02$qt0dl$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > news:EEuZ8.250067$vq.13718781@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moreso your > > > > > > theory, as I've stated elsewhere, requires we ignore other data. A > > > > theory > > > > > > which requires data to be ignored is NOT an acceptable theory. > > > > > > > > > > That's in science, not canon. I have already explained why you're > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > No this is in LOGIC. You are making a logical deduction (here called a > > > > theory) based upon evidence. A deduction (theory) which ignores > evidence > > > is > > > > inferior to a deduction (theory) which takes into account all the > > > evidence. > > > > > > When have I failed to take parts into account? I have taken all the > > > statements and weighted them properly, with Lucas at the top of the food > > > chain. > > > > > > > You are ignoring his other quote. > > No, not in the slightest, as I make clear in the other thread where we are > discussing the topic. Let's continue it there, shall we? > Fine but don't expect an answer immediately. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graeme Dice Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:53:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <3D35F56F.741E0F2A@sk.sympatico.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > nothing to do with the canon. So Darkstar, what did the Millennium Falcon fire at the reactor in ROTJ? Graeme Dice -- HEALTH WARNING: Care Should Be Taken When Lifting This Product, Since Its Mass, and Thus Its Weight, Is Dependent on Its Velocity Relative to the User. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Skayhan" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:01:10 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Graeme Dice" wrote in message news:3D35F56F.741E0F2A@sk.sympatico.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > > nothing to do with the canon. > > So Darkstar, what did the Millennium Falcon fire at the reactor in ROTJ? > > Graeme Dice Oh no.......please. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) Date: 17 Jul 2002 23:05:48 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <20020717190548.02028.00000960@mb-md.aol.com> -------- >"Graeme Dice" wrote in message >news:3D35F56F.741E0F2A@sk.sympatico.ca... >> DarkStar wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it >cements >> > > everything we've always said about the EU. >> > >> > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has >> > nothing to do with the canon. >> >> So Darkstar, what did the Millennium Falcon fire at the reactor in ROTJ? >> >> Graeme Dice > >Oh no.......please. > Dice, do you not realize what you will unleash?! -- SirNitram ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius Uptight Christians pray for God to save themselves. Upright Christians pray for God to save others in need. "And they say that a hero can save us, I'm not gonna stand here to wait..." -Hero ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:07:05 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Graeme Dice" wrote in message news:3D35F56F.741E0F2A@sk.sympatico.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > > nothing to do with the canon. > > So Darkstar, what did the Millennium Falcon fire at the reactor in ROTJ? ... wild guess... just a shot in the dark... I'd say a weapon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:37:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Graeme Dice" wrote in message news:3D35F56F.741E0F2A@sk.sympatico.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > > > > And how does this prove anything you've said? More than ever, it cements > > > everything we've always said about the EU. > > > > No, it's the final nail in the coffin showing that the EU continuity has > > nothing to do with the canon. > > So Darkstar, what did the Millennium Falcon fire at the reactor in ROTJ? > Dice it ain't Wes, this guy and Wes use different OSs (Wes was on a Mac IIRC and this guy is definately ruinning Windows). -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:56:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > Then why do you ignore the fact that he said EU isn't his universe? Why do you continue to fein ignorance of what that statement implies. Especially with the mountains of corroborating evidence? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.S.Strowbridge" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:18:51 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca> -------- DarkStar wrote: > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly sketchy evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, 'It doesn't count.' C.S.Strowbridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Mackey" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:08:39 +1200 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea > > The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly sketchy > evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, 'It > doesn't count.' > > C.S.Strowbridge Never mind that its Lucas's property..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:15:32 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message news:3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca... > DarkStar wrote: > > > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea > > The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly sketchy > evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, 'It > doesn't count.' Lucas > Sansweet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:53:34 +0300 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:UuRY8.171467$Im2.8389493@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > news:3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca... > > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea > > > > The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly sketchy > > evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, 'It > > doesn't count.' > > Lucas > Sansweet Hey you, yes you the fucktard cockmonkey. Lucas > Dorkstar And again: ================== After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story – however many films it took to tell – was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga. ================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:54:35 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message news:d3SY8.100$sn5.4099@read2.inet.fi... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:UuRY8.171467$Im2.8389493@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > > news:3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca... > > > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > > > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea > > > > > > The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly sketchy > > > evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, 'It > > > doesn't count.' > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > Hey you, yes you the fucktard cockmonkey. > > Lucas > Dorkstar > > And again: From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a joke Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the form of licensed properties. "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "His Divine Shadow" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:12:44 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <0CXY8.301$sn5.12550@read2.inet.fi> -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:LsWY8.229331$vq.12225083@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "His Divine Shadow" wrote in message > news:d3SY8.100$sn5.4099@read2.inet.fi... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:UuRY8.171467$Im2.8389493@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote in message > > > news:3D3366BC.2030707@shaw.ca... > > > > DarkStar wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is only sketchy evidence for the 'official' idea > > > > > > > > The Star Wars Encyclopedia calls it 'Quasi-canon.' That's hardly > sketchy > > > > evidence. And what did you say about that evidence? Oh that's right, > 'It > > > > doesn't count.' > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > Hey you, yes you the fucktard cockmonkey. > > > > Lucas > Dorkstar > > > > And again: > > From Cinescape Magazine, July 2002: > > And while rumors persist that an outline for a third trilogy exists (a joke > Lucas made in passing to Rolling Stone, which then printed it as a fact), > the director insists that the only continuation to the saga will be in the > form of licensed properties. > > "There are two worlds here," explains Lucas. "There's my world, which is the > movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is > the parallel universe-the licensing world of books, games and comic books. > They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they > do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel > universe." And this was addressed over at SB already, you didn't have any luck then either. Nor do I see how it overrides Lucas previous statement on how he feels that the EU is SW, what he says here is only that Lucas doesn't interfere with the EU and he keeps it separate from the movies, wich kind of a lie since he's incorporated shitloads of EU material in the movies already. As usual it's just you over-interprepting one quote and throwing out all the other evidence. Oh well it's been quite pathetic, *plonk* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Poe" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:02:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote > Lucas > Sansweet Common Sense > DarkStar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:18:27 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Wayne Poe" wrote in message news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > Common Sense > DarkStar Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:25:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw out all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW are not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of evidence while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all evidence. In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitramtahalshia@aol.comAntiSpam (Sir Nitram) Date: 17 Jul 2002 17:33:04 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <20020717133304.02028.00000900@mb-md.aol.com> -------- >"DarkStar" wrote in message >news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >> >> "Wayne Poe" wrote in message >> news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... >> > >> > "DarkStar" wrote >> > >> > > Lucas > Sansweet >> > >> > Common Sense > DarkStar >> >> Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy >> > >LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + >SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > >Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw out >all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW are >not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of evidence >while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all evidence. >In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > Dark Star's theories revolve around Magic Bullet fallacies, that if one peice of evidence disagrees with everything else, he wins. -- SirNitram ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius Uptight Christians pray for God to save themselves. Upright Christians pray for God to save others in need. "And they say that a hero can save us, I'm not gonna stand here to wait..." -Hero ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: setesh@aol.com (Setesh) Date: 18 Jul 2002 05:28:34 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <20020718012834.12948.00000929@mb-me.aol.com> -------- 'star if there was only one interpritation of the quote then we'd agree, unfortunatly there are several possible. Its a vague statment. So we must look to other sources for confirmation one way or the other. Anybody got Lucas's E-mail? Skywarp:"Starscream, What's Megatron's plan this time? Starscream:"Who cares? You just Know it's going to be evil. And evil is always fun." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:51:28 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw out > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW are > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of evidence > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all evidence. > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. Canon policy is not based on inclusion of all evidence. According to that view, if Lucas walked up to you and smacked you in the face while screaming "Fool, ignore the EU, for it is meaningless!", you'd have to find some way to rationalize it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:53:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:AFlZ8.192898$Im2.9713351@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw > out > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW > are > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of evidence > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > evidence. > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > Canon policy is not based on inclusion of all evidence. According to that > view, if Lucas walked up to you and smacked you in the face while screaming > "Fool, ignore the EU, for it is meaningless!", you'd have to find some way > to rationalize it. Now if you reverse that and Lucas slaps you in the face and says EU is the SW unvierse you'd have to find some way to rationalize it...oh wait that's what you've already done with the other Lucas quote. In the famous words of many others: Pot. Kettle. Black. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:08:28 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <0IuZ8.141269$iB1.8094339@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah5l71$q6q6a$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:AFlZ8.192898$Im2.9713351@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > > > > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw > > out > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW > > are > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > evidence > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > evidence. > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > Canon policy is not based on inclusion of all evidence. According to that > > view, if Lucas walked up to you and smacked you in the face while > screaming > > "Fool, ignore the EU, for it is meaningless!", you'd have to find some way > > to rationalize it. > > > Now if you reverse that and Lucas slaps you in the face and says EU is the > SW unvierse you'd have to find some way to rationalize it... No, because that would be the newest statement of canon policy. Sure, it would reverse what he just said, but it would be the current policy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:39:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:0IuZ8.141269$iB1.8094339@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah5l71$q6q6a$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:AFlZ8.192898$Im2.9713351@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > > > > > > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > > > > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > throw > > > out > > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > SW > > > are > > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > > evidence > > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > > evidence. > > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > > > Canon policy is not based on inclusion of all evidence. According to > that > > > view, if Lucas walked up to you and smacked you in the face while > > screaming > > > "Fool, ignore the EU, for it is meaningless!", you'd have to find some > way > > > to rationalize it. > > > > > > Now if you reverse that and Lucas slaps you in the face and says EU is the > > SW unvierse you'd have to find some way to rationalize it... > > No, because that would be the newest statement of canon policy. Sure, it > would reverse what he just said, but it would be the current policy. > No it would be what he said the first time, what he said the second time, and you refuse to acknowledge, AND what every other Lucasfilm employee has told us. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin'The Yosemite Bear'Witz" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:12:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah7g44$qp5va$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:0IuZ8.141269$iB1.8094339@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah5l71$q6q6a$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:AFlZ8.192898$Im2.9713351@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Poe" wrote in message > > > > > > news:uj9d17r5plka33@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucas > Sansweet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common Sense > DarkStar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar > interpretation) > > > > > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > > throw > > > > out > > > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > > SW > > > > are > > > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > > > evidence > > > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > > > evidence. > > > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > > > > > Canon policy is not based on inclusion of all evidence. According to > > that > > > > view, if Lucas walked up to you and smacked you in the face while > > > screaming > > > > "Fool, ignore the EU, for it is meaningless!", you'd have to find some > > way > > > > to rationalize it. > > > > > > > > > Now if you reverse that and Lucas slaps you in the face and says EU is > the > > > SW unvierse you'd have to find some way to rationalize it... > > > > No, because that would be the newest statement of canon policy. Sure, it > > would reverse what he just said, but it would be the current policy. > > > > No it would be what he said the first time, what he said the second time, > and you refuse to acknowledge, AND what every other Lucasfilm employee has > told us. > > > > -- > Lcpl Burnett, G.R. > USMCR > BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG > > "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" > - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) > > Now what about A-wings having missiles, WEG and WOTC say now, some of the Novels and TIE Fighter/X-Wing says Yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kazuaki Shimazaki" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:28:39 +0800 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to throw out > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and SW are > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of evidence > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all evidence. > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. Actually, you should take points off for throwing out evidence, so it should be: LQ1 (ASVS) + LQ2 + SQ1 + SQ2 + SWIQ > LQ1 (DS) - (LQ2 + SQ1 +SQ2 + SWIQ) :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:09:38 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: <6JuZ8.199501$Im2.10133291@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> -------- "Kazuaki Shimazaki" wrote in message news:ah4r79$q4h2k$1@ID-144261.news.dfncis.de... > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > throw out > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > SW are > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > evidence > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > evidence. > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > Actually, you should take points off for throwing out evidence, so it > should be: > > LQ1 (ASVS) + LQ2 + SQ1 + SQ2 + SWIQ > LQ1 (DS) - (LQ2 + SQ1 +SQ2 + SWIQ) > > :-) Are we gonna need the cosine? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:39:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:6JuZ8.199501$Im2.10133291@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Kazuaki Shimazaki" wrote in message > news:ah4r79$q4h2k$1@ID-144261.news.dfncis.de... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > > throw out > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > > SW are > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > > evidence > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > evidence. > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > Actually, you should take points off for throwing out evidence, so it > > should be: > > > > LQ1 (ASVS) + LQ2 + SQ1 + SQ2 + SWIQ > LQ1 (DS) - (LQ2 + SQ1 +SQ2 + SWIQ) > > > > :-) > > Are we gonna need the cosine? > Not if you realize that you deduction about the canon policy requires us to throw out a large number of sources while our theory requires us to throw out none. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DarkStar" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:19:34 GMT Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:ah7g5f$qhfdg$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > "DarkStar" wrote in message > news:6JuZ8.199501$Im2.10133291@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > "Kazuaki Shimazaki" wrote in message > > news:ah4r79$q4h2k$1@ID-144261.news.dfncis.de... > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar interpretation) > > > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > > > throw out > > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > > > SW are > > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > > > evidence > > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > > evidence. > > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > > > Actually, you should take points off for throwing out evidence, so it > > > should be: > > > > > > LQ1 (ASVS) + LQ2 + SQ1 + SQ2 + SWIQ > LQ1 (DS) - (LQ2 + SQ1 +SQ2 + SWIQ) > > > > > > :-) > > > > Are we gonna need the cosine? > > > > Not if you realize that you deduction about the canon policy requires us to > throw out a large number of sources while our theory requires us to throw > out none. I refuse to realize what is not true. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:17:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [ATTN] DarkStar Message-ID: -------- "DarkStar" wrote in message news:aBSZ8.165290$iB1.9049691@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:ah7g5f$qhfdg$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > news:6JuZ8.199501$Im2.10133291@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > "Kazuaki Shimazaki" wrote in message > > > news:ah4r79$q4h2k$1@ID-144261.news.dfncis.de... > > > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > > > > news:ah49at$qgtst$1@ID-97732.news.dfncis.de... > > > > > "DarkStar" wrote in message > > > > > news:T0fZ8.146718$Bt1.7801253@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > > > > > > > Lucas + Common Sense > Stupid ASVS SW Canon policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LucasQuote1(ASVS interpretation) + LucasQuote2 + SansweetQuote1 + > > > > > SansweetQuote2 + SWInsiderQuote > LucasQuote1(DarkStar > interpretation) > > > > > > > > > > Do you yet understand that your interpretation would require us to > > > > throw out > > > > > all that informaiton? Your theory on canonicity (Lucas claims EU and > > > > SW are > > > > > not one and the same) requires us to throw out a large volume of > > > > evidence > > > > > while our theory (Lucas validates EU) allows the inclusion of all > > > > evidence. > > > > > In other words your theory is fundamentally flawed. > > > > > > > > Actually, you should take points off for throwing out evidence, so it > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > LQ1 (ASVS) + LQ2 + SQ1 + SQ2 + SWIQ > LQ1 (DS) - (LQ2 + SQ1 +SQ2 + > SWIQ) > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Are we gonna need the cosine? > > > > > > > Not if you realize that you deduction about the canon policy requires us > to > > throw out a large number of sources while our theory requires us to throw > > out none. > > I refuse to realize what is not true. > That's a quote almsot worthy of the TJ hall of delusions, unfortunately, or fortunately, you haven't sunk quite to his level yet. Nonetheless i will repeat, as I have elsewhere, that you are ignorign 1 Lucas quote and using the other Lucas quote to batter the rest of the evidence out of consideration. This would be fine if we didn't have a competing theory which accounts for all the evidence, including the sources you wish to ignore. -- Lcpl Burnett, G.R. USMCR BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG "Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure" - IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net) "I'm a genocidal maniac, hold me." -Anakin Vader